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Re: Be Scofield -- The Truth Is ???

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" "Be Scofield -- 'The Chosen One.'" In a word, it is total excrement. No concrete evidence is given of any sort. There are only vague accusations, general statements which are never supported, and associations between groups and events that are never tied together in fact, but only through innuendo and blind assertions."

On this, we agree. I also think its has those traits in common with Be's article about Alexander Fred , and many of your responses here.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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At last- the TRUTH!
What we all have been saying for years.
What we all have known.
What we all wanted the rest of the world to know.

(in case some readers are not able to access Ian's links)
Thank you Ian !!! Thank you Christine, Rama and all the others who have been helping all along.

Exclusive: Will Tulsi Gabbard Answer Questions About Her LGBTQ Hate Guru?
Slated to appear at today's LGBTQ forum in Cedar Rapids, Gabbard has thus far avoided discussing guru Chris Butler's decades of hate speech

By Christine Gralow, with additional reporting by Gavin Aronsen - September 20, 2019

Left: An altar featuring an image of a young Chris Butler at a Science of Identity Foundation event from a video dated September 2018 and recently uploaded by a member of the group. Right: Tulsi Gabbard at the same event with her mother, Carol Gabbard, center, and father-in-law, Tim Anthony.




In an exclusive independent news media collaboration, the Iowa Informer and Meanwhile in Hawaii have obtained previously unreleased video and audio of Chris Butler’s LGBTQ hate speech, in addition to video of Tulsi Gabbard at a recent event worshiping Butler.

WARNING: This story includes graphic homophobic language that may be disturbing to some readers.

When US presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard apologized in January for her history of fighting against basic civil rights for the LGBTQ community, she discussed growing up in a “socially conservative household” and said, “I look forward to being able to share more of my story and my experiences growing up, not as an excuse, but in the hopes that it may inspire others to truly live aloha.”

Since then, however, Gabbard — who is slated to speak this evening at LGBTQ Presidential Forum in Cedar Rapids — has swiftly dodged questions about her “experiences growing up,” particularly questions about her continued devotion to her life-long guru, Chris Butler, and his Science of Identity Foundation (SIF).

Former Butler followers recently leaked decades of his LGBTQ hate teachings to an independent news site in Hawaii, MeanwhileInHawaii.org, including video and audio of Butler’s hate speech. The Iowa Informer has confirmed the authenticity of these files.

Butler’s SIF is essentially a breakaway sect of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), also known as the Hare Krishna movement. Although Butler has a long history of political involvement in Hawaii, Gabbard and her staffers have repeatedly claimed that any questions about Butler’s influence on Gabbard or her campaign amount to “Hinduphobic bigotry.”

The truth is, Gabbard tells only a small part of her story when she discusses her “socially conservative father,” Hawaii State Senator Mike Gabbard, as the root cause of her anti-LGBTQ history.

Overwhelming Evidence

Audio, video, and over 8,000 pages of transcripts detailing Butler’s teachings over 28 years tell a deeper, more concerning story. Newly surfaced video clips of Gabbard and several of her staffers worshiping Butler at a late 2018 SIF event also raise questions about Gabbard’s continued deep ties to Butler and his sect.

In the undated clip below, Butler, who is now in his early 70s, uses vulgar language in a comment about homosexuality and AIDS.

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Gabbard has repeatedly praised Butler, who also goes by Kris Butler, Jagad Guru, Srila Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa, and Srila Prabhupad. She first publicly praised him as her “guru dev” in a 2015 video. She also praised Butler’s “wonderful spiritual practice” in a November 2017 interview with The New Yorker and claimed she had “never heard him say anything hateful, or say anything mean about anybody.”

Gabbard praised Butler again in a New York Times article published this August. “He’s essentially like a Vaishnava Hindu pastor,” she said. “And he’s shared some really beautiful meditation practices with me that have provided me with strength and shelter and peace.”

But in a lecture to his disciples on December 24, 2004, an excerpt of which is embedded below, Butler referred to homosexuals as “demons,” called the ACLU a “demoniacally motivated group,” complained about “fags kissing,” and mocked Kwanzaa as a “phony holiday” started by “some black prisoner felon.”

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Former members of SIF interviewed for this story who, like Gabbard, were exposed to the group’s teachings from an early age say it’s not possible that the congresswoman was unfamiliar with Butler’s virulent rhetoric as she recently claimed. The Informer requested comment from Gabbard’s presidential press team about this and other details in this story. Erika Tsuji, a Gabbard spokesperson, responded by requesting that we provide her “the content you have reviewed,” adding, “I’m not sure if the congresswoman will comment, but she will need to see what it is you want her to comment on.” The Informer offered to clarify any specific details. Tsuji did not respond. Gabbard herself also did not respond to a separate message sent directly to her campaign email account.

PFLAG Mom vs. the Gabbards

“To try to act as if there is a difference between civil unions and same-sex marriage is dishonest, cowardly and extremely disrespectful to the people of Hawaii,” then-Hawaii State Rep. Tulsi Gabbard said at a House Judiciary Committee hearing on civil unions in February 2004. “As Democrats, we should be representing the views of the people, not a small number of homosexual extremists.”

Later in 2004, Gabbard replied to a Honolulu Magazine question about her father’s congressional race, “I smell as skunk. It’s clear to me you’re acting as a conduit for the Honolulu Weekly and other homosexual extremist supporters of Ed Case”.

At the time, Mike Gabbard was a Honolulu city council member running as a Republican for the Hawaii Congressional District 2 seat that Tulsi now holds. (Case won that seat in 2004 and currently serves as the state’s Congressional District 1 representative.)

Mike Gabbard has a notorious history in Hawaii of aggressively opposing LGBTQ civil rights. He started a group with other Butler disciples called Stop Promoting Homosexuality America, and he hosted a hate radio show called Let’s Talk Straight. Mike and his wife Carol Gabbard (Tulsi’s mother) also ran an SIF school on the Hawaiian island of Oahu called the Ponomauloa School. Mike still lists this experience on the biographical page of his website.

Also in 2004, Carol Gabbard was on the Hawaii State Board of Education, actively fighting against protections for LGBTQ youth who were being bullied at school. Tulsi helped her mother with that cause, fervently denying that any significant bullying of LGBTQ students was occurring in Hawaii’s public schools.

Carolyn Golojuch, a former president of the LGBTQ-rights organization PFLAG, once ran against Carol Gabbard for a Hawaii school board seat. She says she ran because she knew Carol’s main agenda, like her husband Mike’s and her daughter Tulsi’s, was to oppose LGBTQ rights in schools. Though Golojuch was unsuccessful her bid for a seat, she continued to regularly attend school board meetings to “keep an eye on Carol Gabbard.”

Golojuch says she remembers Carol Gabbard repeatedly bringing up opposition to LGBTQ student rights at the school board meetings, often at seemingly random times.


Carolyn Golojuch with her husband Mike Golojuch in 2002. Their son Michael Golojuch Jr. now chairs the LGBT Caucus of the Democratic Party of Hawaii. Photo courtesy of Carolyn Golojuch
“The nonsense she would bring up that wasn’t even on the agenda,” Golojuch said. “This one time she went off on transgender youth, and she said, ‘We have to have some laws to prevent these students — they wake up one morning and they decide they’re gonna be a girl, or maybe they decide they’re gonna be a boy.’

“I just wanted to scream,” Golojuch continued, “And so we had to get the ACLU [involved].”

Golojuch’s son, Michael Golojuch Jr., now chairs the LGBT Caucus of the Democratic Party of Hawaii. Shortly after Tulsi Gabbard released her apology video to the LGBTQ community, Golojuch Jr. released a detailed statement on Facebook titled, “Explaining Why Tulsi Gabbard’s ‘Evolution’ is a Farce.”

“I was there in the room on Thursday, February 19 2004 when Tulsi Gabbard broke with protocol to attack not only House Bill 1024, a Civil Unions bill, but also her fellow Democrats, as well as to continue the family business of attacking the LGBTQIA community,” Gololuch Jr. wrote. “Tulsi’s voice on that night was mixed with rancor and glee … On this date she was 22, so not a child by any stretch of the imagination.”

Initiated Names, Political Disciples, and Graphic Hate Speech

Mike, Carol, and Tulsi Gabbard are all still Butler disciples. Their Butler-initiated names are, respectively, Krishna Katha das, Devahuti dasi, and Shraddha.

Butler’s transcribed teachings from 1978 to 2006 include 128 uses of the slur “fag” or “faggot.” In a 2002 lecture, Butler and his disciples can be heard laughing as he viciously demeans homosexuals and refers to God as “the supreme homophobe” and “the supreme anti-faggot guy, the supreme fag-fighter.”

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In other lectures, Butler refers to homosexuals as “cockroaches” that should be exterminated, and he engages in alarming, historically inaccurate hate speech against Muslims.


An excerpt from a transcript of a Chris Butler lecture in which the guru refers to gay people as “cockroaches” who should be exterminated. (Click to enlarge)
Butler’s underhanded involvement in Hawaii politics dates back to the late ’70s, when the Honolulu Star-Bulletin and Advertiser reported Butler’s heavy involvement in his followers’ launch of a political party called Independents for Godly Government. At least a dozen Butler followers have either served or run for public office in Hawaii, including Mike Gabbard, Carol Gabbard, Tulsi Gabbard, Kathy Hoshijo, Bill Penaroza, former Hawaii State Senator Rick Reed, and former Maui council member Wayne Nishiki.

Former SIF members who grew up worshiping Butler and attended SIF schools — as Tulsi Gabbard did — say they were made to repeatedly listen to Butler’s hateful, sexually graphic lectures as children. Ian Koviak of Portland, Rama Ranson of San Francisco, and four other former Butler devotees (who wish not to be named for fear of SIF retaliation), all confirm that the voice in these audio clips is Butler’s. Details in the Butler video, audio, and transcript documents also all correspond.

Koviak, whose mother began following Butler when he was a child, said of Tulsi Gabbard’s claim that she has never heard Butler say anything mean or hateful about anybody, “It’s not only unlikely, it’s preposterous to say that she didn’t hear these lectures. Her father was on the forefront of the anti-gay movement, and those lectures are directly tied to that time.

“And there were a ton more lectures,” Koviak continued, “describing in detail scat, pissing, glory holes, bestiality, and just about every other sex act in gory detail as his disciples laughed.”


An excerpt of a lecture in which Chris Butler suggests that public schools want to teach students about “homosexual activities” and maybe also “how to have sex with dogs without getting rabies or something.” (Click to enlarge)
Like Koviak, Ranson was raised in SIF by parents who worshiped Butler. He began cutting ties with the sect as a teenager when he began to view it as a cult. His brother, Sudama “Laks” Ranson of Kailua, Hawaii, and his mother Robyn Ranson, of Twizel, New Zealand, both remain deeply devoted to Butler. Ranson says Butler disciples excluded him from his father’s funeral in New Zealand, where SIF is highly active.

The 8,000-plus page document of Butler’s transcribed lectures was first leaked to Ranson by a former Butler follower in Eastern Europe, who came across one of Ranson’s anti-Butler Facebook pages. SIF is also active in both Poland and Russia, as documented by the Polish mother of young man who became involved in worshiping Butler.

After obtaining the transcript document, Ranson emailed it to MeanwhileinHawaii.org. When this reporter then confirmed and released excerpts of the transcripts via Twitter, another former Butler follower — who also wishes not to be publicly named for fear of retaliation from SIF members — saw the tweets and came forward with the Butler audio and video evidence.

After listening to the newly surfaced audio evidence, Ranson said, “Hearing that is just haunting. It takes me back to hearing that stuff when I was a young child and just both how ridiculous the things he’s saying are and how ridiculous our situation was to be subjected to that as young kids.”


Tulsi at Late 2018 SIF Event

Unlike Koviak, Ranson and others who left, Tulsi Gabbard chooses as an adult to remain in SIF, devoted to Butler. She can be seen worshiping Butler in two video clips recently uploaded by a SIF member at a September 2018 kirtan, or devotional chant, gathering in Hawaii.

In the first clip, Gabbard dances and chants before an altar with her mother Carol, her congressional Chief of Staff Kainoa Penaroza, and her fundraiser Alana Penaroza (Kainoa’s wife). Abraham Williams, Gabbard’s campaign videographer and husband, plays drums at the event next to Gabbard’s father on guitar. Gabbard, in a black shirt and white camisole, dances to the right of her mother and to the left of Alana Penaroza, who wears a long yellow dress, beginning 8 seconds into the clip.


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The gathering appears lovely, with many young people peacefully dancing and chanting Hare Krishna and the names of other Hindu deities. The altar, however, departs significantly from ISKCON tradition. Small statues of the Hindu deities Krishna and Radha and a painting of Hindu lords Chaitanya and Nityananda are overwhelmed by an enlarged photograph of a young Chris Butler’s face on stretched canvas. There are no pictures of other humans on the altar. Noticeably absent is any depiction on the altar of ISKCON founder A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

In the second video clip at the same event, Gabbard stands with her mother and her father-in-law, Tim Anthony (Williams’ step-dad). Carol Gabbard appears to hand Tulsi something to bring to the altar 6 seconds into the clip as Anthony looks on immediately behind them.


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Apology Accepted?

Butler, now in his early 70s, has become reclusive and suffers from hypochondria. He rarely attends SIF gatherings in person, though he does still occasionally attend via video conference. He requires his disciples to wear respiratory masks in his presence, covers the walls of his home with aluminum foil, and implements a quarantine policy for new disciples who come to Hawaii to serve him.

Neither Butler nor SIF has ever apologized for Butler’s decades of LGBTQ hate speech. The Informer reached out to SIF President Jeannie Bishop for comment by phone and email but she did not respond.

Many in the Hawaii LGBTQ community say they consider Gabbard’s apology insincere, as she continues to serve and worship Butler.


A young Tulsi Gabbard worshiping in front of an altar with an image of Chris Butler, in an undated photo contributed by a former Butler follower.


“Due to Gabbard’s ugly past LGBT stances and the facetious way she handled her evolution around marriage equality — at first stating that she believed the US government should not be involved in any sort of marriage licensing — I knew that she had not changed her thinking,” said Eileen McKee, an LGBT Caucus representative with the Democratic Party of Hawaii. “Couple that with her continued support and devotion to the homophobe Chris Butler, many of us in the gay community of Hawaii know she is not being sincere with her recent apology video.”

The Informer also reached out to the sponsors of today’s LGBTQ presidential forum in Cedar Rapids: One Iowa, the state’s most prominent gay-rights group; GLAAD, a national watchdog organization focused on anti-LGBTQ discrimination in the media; and The Advocate, a prominent gay-rights news magazine. None responded to our requests for comment by deadline.

As the truth about Butler’s LGBTQ hate teachings and his underhanded political involvement become better known beyond Hawaii, will Gabbard still look forward to sharing her “experiences growing up”? Will she tell her constituents the truth, or continue protecting and serving Chris Butler?

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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

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Hi BeTrue,

From my conversations with Jessica, Swartz's time with Chinmayananda was before we were with him. Jessica, Marlene, Joseph & I were with Swartz from 1980-1982. Though...let me correct that...I was with them at that time...Marlene & Joseph were certainly with him before 1980.

Someone out there in the world reading this...may have been with Swartz before 1980. Perhaps that person will have the courage to speak out on this time with Swartz. It would be very helpful indeed.

Here is what I think...but it's only my opinion...not based in my knowledge or facts...

I believe Swarts was with the Chinmayananda people before I met him. He probably gathered a lot of information on the lineage...on the teachings...and figured he could do well do be a guru himself. Then, I suppose, he did a trial-run with me, Jessica, Marlene, Joseph, and others interested...to see just how he could play this guru scam...and how far he could get with it.

At the same time, however, he was running all his other financial "gigs" which included an import business, an antique shop, prostituting his wife out in sex shows, and running a stripping business (which included his wife, Jessica, then me).

I believe Swartz was testing out his guru-gig. When we all fell apart, I'm sure (but I can't prove it) that he went on to find other devotees...and took a long road to build up his guru status.

Part of that narrative necessitated him TOTALLY LYING about his "credentials" and him being a part of a lineage.

I would like to shout out a wish to the universe...

If anyone out there knew James Swartz before 1980 (or even during that time) please have the courage to let us know of your experience with him.

Someone hopefully will be able to put together a REAL timeline (not his false book)...and help people get a clear picture of Swartz.

There MUST be folks out there that knew him then. I would love to hear from them.

It would be great to get a real timeline...not the false narrative Swartz put out in his book.

Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

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I never really looked into Chinmayananda. I only had my personal terrible experience with Swartz and his false teachings, and his atrocious abuse.

In my cursory investigation into Chinmayananda, I discovered this youtube video.

I’m sure Chinmayananda is churning in his grave…at seeing Swartz distort his teachings…using it for his own sociopathic goals.

I’m thinking about how Swartz used what he learned from Chinmayananda to create his own CON-game in creating his own guru-identity…lying about how he was a part of the lineage.

Swartz distorted Chinmayananda teachings…all the while he was harming me and others…abusing us…” sinning”.

See on this video (time 6:00)

Chinmayananda’s teachings on the concept of sin.

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Quote from narrator in video:

Sin is the measure of the angle of deviation between the ‘Desire of the Mind’ and ‘Judgement of the Intellect’.

Deviation is also mentioned as Variation…when this variation or deviation is accumulated over time, it becomes that single letter V (VASANAS) that veils us from the kingdom of God.

Swartz told everyone around himself that we were sinners…(he always talked about our Vasanas) selfish…not pure…entrapped in Maya (the illusion of the world)…and all the while he was abusing us. He was sexually assaulting me.

Swartz caught himself in this equation of sin…and he truly was acting from his own V (Vasanas) when he raped me.

Then he tried to put it into my mind that it was my fault…because of my “karma”.

Swartz is a false teacher. He used the teachings of Chinmayananda to try to get away with his atrocious crimes.

The narrator describes how one can overcome Vasanas (beginning of vid)…by performing self-less acts for others.

Well…whew!!!! Swartz is the LAST person to perform selfless acts for others! Hello!!! If fact, what he does is manipulate others to believe they are the cause of the problem…they deserved the abuse, punishment, “the result”. How bloody-well convenient for the conman to come up with that one.

Swartz does not take any responsibility for his actions.

He is just a worm. A parasitic worm.

Wake up people.

His website should be called (not Shiningworld but) Sinningworld.

Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

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...oh I just checked Wikipedia...found out that followers of Chinmayananda believed he transitioned to "mahasamadhi" when he died...so I guess he's not churning in his grave...but you get the idea I was after.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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Somehow I missed this one- apologies.

Explaining Why Tulsi Gabbard’s “Evolution” is a Farce
MICHAEL GOLOJUCH JR·WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 23, 2019·READING TIME: 6 MINUTES


Aloha,
My name is Michael Golojuch, Jr. I am a long-time civil rights activist here in Hawaii and I have known Tulasi “Tulsi” Gabbard for over 18 years. During Tulsi’s tenure in the Hawaii State House she would attack all LGBTQIA supportive bills and women’s rights bills. I was there in the room on Thursday, February 19 2004 when Tulsi Gabbard broke with protocol to attack not only House Bill 1024, a Civil Unions bill, but also her fellow Democrats, as well as to continue the family business of attacking the LGBTQIA community.
Tulsi’s voice on that night was mixed with rancor and glee, that is something that I had never seen at a hearing. On this night she testified to committee she was not a member of, I bring this up because in my 18+ years at the Hawaii State Capitol I have never seen this done. On this date she was 22, so not a child by any stretch of the imagination.
After Tulsi left the Hawaii State House she would go semi-silent on LGBTQIA & Women’s Rights issues. In 2010 she runs for an open City & County of Honolulu Council seat. This election took place after she said in later interviews that she had her “evolution”. Tulsi said nothing during this tough election about her “evolution”. While as Councilmember the one thing she did do was initiate a war on homeless people through Bill 54, that continues to this day.
In 2012 she runs for Congress and this when she came in support of LGBTQIA and Women’s rights. The first time we heard part of this “evolution” is when she gets the endorsement from Emily’s List in January 2012. At this point Tulsi had made no pro-women’s rights public statements and her entire voting record was in opposition.
The LGBT Caucus of the Democratic Party of Hawaii met with the Democratic CD-2 candidates in February 2012 and this was Tulsi’s first public announcement that she had a change of heart regarding LGBTQIA issues. I was there and I can tell you that her answers sounded rehearsed and insincere, I was not alone in this assessment. The Caucus did not support her in the primary but since she won the primary we gave her the benefit of the doubt and took her at her word and endorsed her in the General.
In 2013 she had her first opportunity in Hawaii to showcase this evolution during the 2013 Special Session after the Supreme Court’s ruling in Windsor v. US. During this historic hearing Tulsi refused to submit testimony in support of Senate Bill 1 (SB1), unlike the other three members of Hawaii’s Congressional Delegation. Senator Brian Schatz, Senator Mazie Hirono & Congresswoman Colleen Hanabusa all sent people to represent them and testify in support of Marriage Equality. Not letting Tulsi off the hook I contacted her office personally on day three of the House hearing of SB1 and I was rebuffed. They said she didn’t interfere with state issues, something she has done a lot of since then. I know I was not the only one that made this request and we were all rejected.
In 2015 (rev. January 2016) Tulsi did an interview for ozy.com where she tells the reporter:
“…her (Tulsi) personal views haven’t changed, but she doesn’t figure it’s her job to do as the Iraqis did and force her own beliefs on others.”
Keep in mind two things, first that her personal views include support of conversion therapy, opposing marriage equality, opposing inclusive public accommodations, and not supporting women’s rights to mention a few. Second, the Iraqi government doesn’t require women to wear burqas or force any religious beliefs on women, one of the many falsehoods in Tulsi’s “evolution” story.
Tulsi did become a member of the Congressional LGBT Caucus but did not renew in 2015 when members were asked to pay dues and only rejoined after this request was lifted. This is the pattern with Tulsi, she has done the bare minimum to get by on this “evolution” story. Another example of this pattern Tulsi will make supportive statements AFTER a win but not sign letters from the Cong. LGBT Caucus to the current administration calling them out for their attacks on the LGBTQIA community.
When you add this to Tulsi’s embracing and her full-throated support of India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is in complete opposition to justice & equality for India’s LGBTQIA community. PM Modi has come out against every advancement that India’s LGBTQIA community has made. Modi and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), his political party, supports the right-wing concept of Hindutva, which is the predominant form of Hindu nationalism in India. The American equivalent to Hindutva is white supremacy. Supporters of Hindutva believe that the entire Indian subcontinent (not just India) belongs only to Hindus and every other religion needs to get out or convert. Tulsi has spoken at BJP’s gathering here and in India.
Then there is Tulsi’s trip to Syria to meet with the brutal dictator Bashar Hafez al-Assad. All these reasons are why so many of us here in Hawaii do not buy this “evolution”.
Tulsi’s only evolution that I can attest to is her public relationship with a one Chris Butler. Prior to 2011 she claimed not to know him or deflected the question, then in 2012 she said Butler was her tennis pro, later she would say he was her yoga instructor, and finally over a year ago she admitted that Chris Butler aka Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa is her guru. I bring this up because Chris runs a cult, that is an off shoot of the Hari Krishna, called Science of Identity Foundation (SIF). The same cult that Tulsi’s father and mother belong to and raised their family in. SIF fueled and funded their anti-LGBTQIA activities. For Chris Butler to be her guru she would need to be a member of his cult.
Through the Science of Identity Foundation, the Gabbards ran Stop Promoting Homosexuality (International & Hawaii) which evolved into Alliance for Traditional Marriage & Values (ATMV). ATMV led the fight to write discrimination into Hawaii’s State Constitution. In the now infamous commercial the Gabbard family equated marriage equality to incest and trying to marry your dog. After they unfortunately won the constitutional amendment in 1998 the Gabbards would then use ATMV to fight against any bill that would bring equality to the LGBTQIA community. (Remember she said her personal beliefs have not changed.)
If she really did have an evolution why say something completely different to a reporter?
Why does her story keep changing about the evolution?
Why base her evolution on lie?
Why has she refused to debate her opponents since getting elected to Congress?
Why has she failed to face her constituents since 2017, the last time she held a town hall?
Posting an apology after she announces that she is running for President is nothing but self-serving. I was raised to believe an apology for horrible past deeds is meaningless without significant and meaningful actions to begin to make an amends for those deeds. The LGBTQIA community deserves more than window dressing from a candidate for President.
If you have any questions about this letter please feel free to contact me at mgolojuch@hotmail.com with “Questions about Tulsi’s evolution” in the subject line.
Mahalo nui loa,
Michael Golojuch, Jr.
Chair & SCC Member – LGBT Caucus of the Democratic Party of Hawaii (2012-present)*
Former Chair of Honolulu Pride (2010-2015)*
Former Board Member of Civil Unions-Civil Rights Movement (2001–2004)*
* Titles are for identification purposes only as this letter is my personal work product and not the views of any of the organizations I belong to.

Source: [www.facebook.com]

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

Re: REAL LOVE

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Real Love is not ‘Coaching’ or ‘Mentoring’

RealLove swears it is not a cult, and most certainly not a destructive cult. It is quite certain about this, and in video ‘chats’ by cult leader and guru Greg Baer he tells people in no uncertain terms that his RealLove has been called a cult many times, he laughs as he tells watchers that it’s most definitely not a cult and is only perceived to be by people who are ‘empty and afraid’ because they don’t know how to love and haven’t been loved before – obviously the RealLove way. He, and of course his minions (in the form of mummies and daddies, wise men and wise women etc.), all vociferously state that RealLove is merely ‘coaching’ people in how to ‘be loving’, how to ‘love people unconditionally’, how to ‘learn to accept love’, and so on. Another post on this thread states very clearly how RealLove is most definitely NOT a therapeutic and healthy ‘helping’ profession, and goes on to clearly define the many reasons why, even though this is exactly what it is doing in many ways. Yet, if RealLove states it is ‘coaching’ while facilitating itself as a helping profession in the way it delivers this so-called ‘coaching’ then maybe it needs to be determined whether or not it is coaching as opposed to being the therapeutic helping profession which it presents as.

RealLove categorically states that it is a ‘coaching’ program that person’s sign up to. As defined by many of the leavers on the various threads on this Forum and elsewhere across the internet, it is clear that this is not a coaching program at all, and if it is, it is not a normal one by any stretch. Firstly, the definition of ‘coaching’ is basically a process that sets out to train, instruct, or teach. This is achieved by the giving of instructions as to what to say or do in a particular situation and to give someone professional advice on how to attain their goals (or whatever it is the coaching is offering). As testified on this Forum this giving of ‘instructions’ turns out to be a lot more than providing helpful information, advice and guidance! The writing down of ‘exactly’ what to say or do is not exactly coaching in any professional setting. Being told who you should talk to, not talk to, what you should do, wear, who you should date, etc. all remove any form of self-empowerment - which is the key thing that persons go to a coach for in the first place.

Coaching is also a process that happens for a short period of time, follows a structured format and has a formal and professional approach. The idea is the improvement of something, one’s performance at something or an aspect of their self that impacts that person’s life or job in some way. The sole focus is the improvement in the behaviours and performance that will resolve the present issues or ways to handle specific aspects within a person’s life. Coaching is goal focused and solution focused and a competent and trained coach has the ability to elicit clear, well-defined and emotionally engaging goals – which is one of the most important skills a coach can possess. A good coach offers support and assistance to those they are coaching in order to help them implement positive change towards achieving their desired goals. The process of coaching has the sole aim of improving performance of an aspect of self, and which focuses on the ‘here and now’ rather than on distant past and future. Coaching thus is designed not just as personal empowerment but as a way of unlocking a person’s potential to maximise their own performance or personal aspects of self without the need for a coach, once the process is complete. Basically, coaching is helping a person to learn for their self rather than ‘teaching’ them something.

This is where it all gets a bit murky with RealLove because it doesn’t fit the profile of actually being about coaching at all. I believe this has been mentioned previously on this Forum by others too. Firstly, it’s a process that those trapped in RealLove as well as those who left it after many years have all stated is ‘lifelong’ rather than short-term. Secondly, the goal of being more loving never seems to be achieved, there is always another program, another workshop, another intervention, another or different coach, that books have to be read again, that one needs to keep watching ‘GregChat’ videos as much as possible because somehow the person is not taking RealLove seriously, not trying hard enough, or is ‘being a victim’. Third, there are no well-defined and clear goals to work towards – and what goals are there seem to keep changing or are moved. Many feel that they did not get the support and assistance that they thought they would –they felt they were always blamed and shamed, not good enough, not trying hard enough and only had the same limited dialogue all the time. There is also a hugely abnormal focus on the distant past – particularly childhood – and people’s whole life from childhood is totally drawn out and analysed through the ‘intervention’ process, and will often keep being brought up time and again during the so-called coaching process. Often this knowledge seems to be held as some form of leverage or ammunition against the person to remind them of who’s boss, why they need coaching, that they are not trying hard enough, being a victim etc. rather than just used as a background reference point to help the person. There is, as with all destructive cults, an over-emphasis on the past. The future is brought up too. But not as something close by and attainable; no, as something that is allusive and distant unless one works harder and does what they are told, keeps following RealLove and all that it offers (at great financial expense!). RealLove does not unlock anyone’s potential. In fact it shuts a person’s potential and positive feelings about the self completely down. There is a notion coached into adherents that the real or true self is being shut down while going through the RealLove coaching process and will be activated later on …… in the future…. when you are deemed to be qualified to love other people. But, this potential never comes to fruition. One’s innate talents, abilities, potentials and gifts are never explored and brought to the surface because it’s all about REAL LOVE. Does RealLove coaching work to maximise the individuals’ own potential regarding their being coached into being a more loving person, or indeed learning to be ‘unconditionally loving’ (the RealLove way of course!).

Do person’s doing this coaching end up being the person they thought they were going to be when they engaged in this so-called ‘coaching’? It seems that practically everyone that goes into it doesn’t leave it. They all need a coach for life and never seem to be getting anywhere nearer to the goal. Not only that, but given all the horrendously ‘unloving’ things they have been mind-controlled into doing, many seem to have ended up becoming an ‘unloving’ selfish-centred person who cannot actually love or accept being able to be loving or kind to anyone not doing RealLove – which his cross purposes to what coaching is about and not just looking, but behaving exactly as a brainwashed and entranced member of a destructive cult. It seems then that the RealLove ‘coaching’ method – which is a completely made up process by leader and guru Greg Baer, and not founded on genuine coaching processes or tools – is not about empowering people to learn for themselves and go off into their life and have total control and understanding of what they’ve been coached in. No, it seems that this so-called coaching is more about being a ‘teaching’ process than about it being a learning process. There is a difference, an important difference which defines what’s going on here very clearly.

Teaching is the process of inculcating moral values, abilities, knowledge, skills, ideologies, principles, laws, regulations – as well as dogma and doctrine – by an experienced (trained) person in order to ensure positive or relevant change in behaviours, values, standards, attitudes and knowledge. In the process of ‘teaching’ ideas or principles are taught by an authority in order to educate and impart knowledge, skills and understanding. And this seems exactly what the RealLove so-called coaching process is about – not coaching, but outright ‘teaching’ of its ideology. Not about self-empowerment, but subservience to the RealLove way. Not the achievement of goals or the solutions to issues and problems, but instead dependence and addiction to the RealLove ‘loving’ process. Not a focus on the ‘here and now’ but total constant reminders of a distant past and emphasis on a golden future (that just doesn’t ever get one iota nearer). Not anything about learning how to fulfil the goals and handle the present issues, but instead to be reliant on another human being to make your decisions, choose your words and actions, and organise your life for you. This is clearly a method of teaching that is utilised to create dependence and addiction to RealLove, to create a cult adherent and a customer for life. Teaching is the tool used to do this, as coaching certainly has a totally different emphasis than the implementation of dogmatic knowledge given by person’s who will always be on a pedestal way ahead and always knowing more, while you seem to feel you know nothing at all and feel subservient to such persons. This isn’t even looking up to and admiring a good teacher or good teaching, this is being enamoured of someone who has something you want to attain, of which you seem never to get any closer despite all the teaching, the coaching or whatever.

One could say that this process engaged in could be like a mentoring relationship. Indeed, mentoring is a long-term arrangement between the mentor and the mentee; but the difference here is that it is a two-way ‘mutually beneficial’ relationship. And this is clearly not what the RealLove so-called coaching process is all about either. Adherents speak highly and romantically about their ‘coach’ (whom they call their daddy or their mummy) and of how this person guides their life for them, and that without them they would not know what to do. That’s interesting, because neither genuine coaching or mentoring creates this type of reliant relationship. But this does beg the question as to whether this so-called coaching or so-called mentoring is actually something else – given the amount of reliance and dependence on it. Is it therapy? Is it helping? Is it actually counselling, psychotherapy or some other form of therapy? It does seem a lot like this when you witness the state of being of the adherents of this process, and what it has done to those who leave after many years of indoctrination and entrapment.

While leader and guru Greg Baer states emphatically that any form of mental health therapy, counselling, psychotherapy, hypnotherapy or other forms of therapeutic help are absolutely useless and serve no purpose whatsoever, it does seem that this so-called coaching/mentoring process is very much some form of mental health therapy. Certainly, these ‘interventions’, the coaching sessions, the groups and the ‘baby holding’ are all methods that dig into and work on the psyche, the mind, which is something coaching and mentoring does not do. But clearly, methods that are focused entirely on the mind and our thoughts are indeed a form of mental health therapy. The very fact of leader and guru Greg Baer’s use of AA ideology and processes in the creation of his concept of ‘Truth-Seen-Accepted-Loved’ as the basis for all the so-called ‘loving groups’ is indeed a fundamental form of therapy – something Baer discounts and does not believe in, and which he tells his future and current believers is a waste of time, because only RealLove will work. But, in his dismissing any form of bona fide therapy and stating that it is only the love that is missing from our lives that is causing all our ills and mis-perceptions, Baer draws folks to him and his RealLove process that he states will heal us all – healing being therapeutic, our mind and misperceptions being of our mental health. Reality is, no one ever gets qualified to love. No one ever leaves the process all empowered and able to function in unconditional love, and having experienced what goes on in this cult, and engaged with many within it and leavers, I can state that they are indeed dabbling in mental health therapy but calling it coaching. But then again, it’s not coaching or indeed mentoring either. It does seem to be a conglomeration of all these aspects with the mummies and daddies, wise people and other authorised RealLove officials using whatever approach they deem right at the time to keep their RealLove babies (cult members) entranced and staying within the fold, in the little RealLove family. Yet professionally, in the real world, none of these processes are mixed up like this. Each is normally what it is and sets out to do. Each is not anything else other than what it is. Coaching is a process of coaching only. Mentoring is about mentoring only. Therapy is about the therapeutic process being applied only. Teaching is about teaching whatever it is being taught. And mind-control (aka brainwashing, coercive persuasion, thought reform, undue influence etc.) is about using various techniques unknown to the member that gradually control their willpower, thoughts, feelings, behaviours, attitudes etc. towards doing anything they are told to do as well as maintaining a total subjection to the cult and its ideology. So what do we have here with RealLove?

Indeed, RealLove is not only applying teaching methods to instil the knowledge, principles, laws, dogma and doctrine of RealLove, but they are using it through inter-relatedly through use of coaching and mentoring as well as mental health therapeutic processes. It’s a mish-mash of all these things rather than being just what it says it is. Teaching is applied in all situations – from the books to the video chats, from meetups and loving groups to interventions, from programs and workshops, from phone calls to conference calls to the special closed facebook pages to keep everyone on the same page all the time. The teaching is used to indoctrinate not empower. The teaching is used to instil and embed RealLove principles and laws rather than to focus on goals and achieve them. The teaching is used to keep people in line, to stay focused always on RealLove rather than to elicit any form of engaging and clearly defined improvement. The teaching is used to keep reminding members about their distant pasts, their problems, their issues, their so-called flaws, faults and imperfections (which everyone else calls ‘differences’) and about some magical pixie-dust future where they will be an unconditionally loving person when they have ‘done the work’ and been ‘qualified to love’ rather than focusing on what needs to be done in the present, unlocking their potential and maximising the individuals own unique aspects of self. The teaching is used to keep control of members so that they will always be following and focusing on what RealLove wants to focus on and telling members how they are not trying hard enough, not taking RealLove seriously and that it won’t work if they don’t stop ‘being a victim’ all the time – instead of actually offering the genuine support, encouragement, information, assistance and guidance that the person needs in their life. This teaching is all about maintaining cult membership and not about anything positive, enriching or life inspiring for the person to grasp hold of, aspire to, and achieve on their own steam.

So, all in all RealLove advertises and promotes that it is ‘coaching’ – but it’s not coaching that is going on, although coaching elements are used. RealLove sells the idea of the mummy or daddy coach as being a type of mentoring parent figure who is one’s guide, but not in a two-way mutually beneficial relationship. Instead, this is a one-way relationship that is touted as being beneficial ‘only’ to the adherent and not to the coach/mentoring parent figure – even though that person is being paid. The adherent is regularly reminded that their coach/mentoring parent figure is only ‘doing everything’ for the adherents benefit, that they ‘don’t have to do this’ and are ‘only doing this for the adherents benefit’. Therefore, to all intents and purposes it appears like a mentoring process when in fact it is a directed teaching process. And finally RealLove clearly states that therapeutic psychological help is complete nonsense and useless and of no help at all, while simultaneously providing such mental health behavioural changes without the person’s knowledge or consent.

When they say ‘It’s not a cult’ you can be safely assured that it most definitely ‘Is A Cult’.

Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

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The authority to teach comes from the guru. This is the guru-shishya relayionship. And there are many various factors involved. I will share some here:

1. Scripture says the teacher should be both srotriya and brahmananista. That is learned in scripture and have attained enlightenment.

However there are cavreats here. Someone can teach in manana, supervised, even if they have not attained enlightenment.

And in any event, anyone who teaches, it is the best way for manana for them. There is no such thing as fully cooked. And many place judgments on teachers as they assume once someone is enlightened, that is that. It ain't. It is only the starting point. KArma carries on, so there is always stuff to deal with. That is a blessing, as it should keep the enlightened being humble.

For teaching unsupervised, the person should be enlightened. This is termed a guru. If they are not, they are at best what is called 'upaguru'. Inspirational.

2. The permission to teach must come from the previous teacher. The parampara, lineage is an unbroken one.

This needs a caveat also. When JS was with SWami Chinmayananda, the average time to learn, as a swami, was around 8 or 9 years.

It is true that Swami Chinmayananda took the teachings down from the mountains. There was however a problem. In that the mountain training was not applicable exactly to urban life. Though I will set that aside for a moment.

Besides completing the actual training, there is a kind of blessing that is conferred onto students when you are sitting at the guru's feet. This can actually confer permission to teach it has been suggested. I spoke personally to swami about this, and I was told that it is a cultural thing.

there is another point that i know for a fact. Which clouds permission even more. Some Swami will be a bit more relaxed in all this. I've saw it. That permission to teach is freely gave.

4. It is important to see what permission if any was gave. I have to say, my own view is that if JS was sitting in front of Chinmayananda, then he would likely have received this blessings, but it is a generic type of thing. However, he may well have fallen foul of his guru, and there are strong indications of this his memoir. Permission cannot be took away to be honest, however that also depends on what permission was gave.

While it is one thing to try to look critically and see there was possibly this blessing gave, one has to look to the validity of what Shiningworld teach. And my own views in this topic have been robust. An interesting point to make, is that I watch the posting trends in SW, and they have been invariably making more souunder posts over the last week in areas that they have been tackled here. While I don't support them, I am not here to flame them. The truth is all that matters. Any way things are addressed now, comes from them as they are being challenged, and doesn't erase the past.

So what did JS learn in those two years? He could only have been taught what Swami Dayananda learned in TEN years there. Swami Dayananda did not attain enlightenment in those tean years. Even though he was viewed as the main student of Chinmayananda. If I can term it like that as a point. Swami Dayananda was to take over. Not carry an oxygen bottle.

What chances of JS attaining enlightenment then? This leads me to my own view of why Shiningworld have adopted this modern vedanta view of 'realization', then 'assimilation'. And 'tripti'. These various levels. One can be 'realized' in nididhyasana. self-realized.

Swami Dayananda says there is no such thing as 'self-rrealization'. There is moksha, enlightenment. As the starting point. And it carries on working from there.

There may well be some kinds of assimilation, breathroughs before enlightenment, however these are sometimes gave too much weight that they have, and this is perhaps down to what was taught. SWami Chinmayananda taught mystical vedanta. That enlightenment comes from samadhi, experiences.

It does not. It comes from jnanam. Knowledge. And only the vedanta pramana, the teachings, can provide that knowledge. Shankara says so.

It's my view that JS jad issues with Chimayanada. He actually did try to learn with SWami Dayananda, and was thrown out after two weeks. This was after Swami Dayananda sorted out what he was not being taught by Chinmayanada. He ws not being taught how to use vedanta. Which means neither was JS.

JS came back to US, not having been taught properly. And at best only having had some mystical experiences. This has no doubt been a problem. Without the clear guidance of a teacher, at this stage the person will place too much importance on experiences and they will by-pass stuff. They will be blind to so much. And they will have enlightenment sickness, to use JS own terms on himself.

At the very best, JS will have tried to learn as he goes along. However, scripture is clear on this, one cannot di it this way.

JS has placed too much important on a mere two years with Chinmayananda. And I want to make the point, as we can see from his lack of seriousness in his memoir, would he have been a good student? I doubt this.

The karma from JS's time there has without a doubt constantly repeated itself. He left both Chinmayanda and Dayananda, not in good terms. And as we can se this happens so much in Shiningworld. Anyone who gets close to him and Isabella, usually they get burned. It is always a matter of time.

I want to express this carefully here. the very first teacher that JS ever had. That guru students relationship was ruined, once Isabella and JS got together. She has been involved in virtually nearly ever issue. A teacher should not ever let something like physical attrraction or prema, romance, get in the way of the parampara lineage.

I am using precise sanskrit terms here, as I know that they are reading this. He is meant to know better about bhakti. Bhakti is not romantic love. While there is asome of it in it yes. The opening verses of the Narada Bhakti Sutra how that Kama/pleasure, is as different from prema/rommance as prema is different from Bhakti.

If JS is enlightened, he should be able to see the consistent pattern of how avarana shakti, the velining power of maya, has clouded him.

There is an interesting teaching in the Rigveda. An ancient Rishi, a very accomplished Yogi, was meditating underwater. He saw two fish mating. And got turned on. So he went to the local king, in order to get one of his 50 daughters to marry him.

The Rishi was an old man. Horrified the king said if one wants you that is fine. So the Rishi went away and use powers to make himself a lovely young man. Next day all 50 princesses wanted him. And he married them all.


Then the King says, they will all be jealous, living in the same house. So the Rishi magiced 50 castles for each of them. He had thousands of children, and lived for thousands of years.

One day he realized, that this sexual and romantic desire, had actually clouded him. And he warned us all. For it was only when he saw it for what it was, that he learned his mistake. While I am not equating JS to such an important Ancient Rishi, the scripture is that maya can and does cloud. He is always, every single time, taking his wifes side over the sanctity of the parampara. It's ridiculous it happens that regular. He says he is too old to even care. Then why teach. A teacher has a responsibility to their students.

Of course, JS and Isabella won't see this. This is because they have a curiuous teaching. 'Non-dual' love. HAha. What are they talking bhakti? There teaching is an oxymoron. Non-dual, implies all that is. While love is not applicable to all that is. Love, anything experienced, is prema, vishya ananda/object happiness. What you actually are cannot be experienced, nor cannot be known. For that would make what you are an object. Pure wishy, washy modern vedanta. they even come across when they promote this, as gangaji and eli. It's modern vedanta, pure crap.

We cant say that the wave is non dual. Well it can be said, but it confuses. It has a real danger of leading one to validate that which they are by romance. Which doesnt work. The relationship of James and Isabella SWarz, or anyone else, is not and cannot ever be a validation for what one actually is.

This is important as it is another example of not knowing how to use vedanta properly. And lumping in ones own ideas

Re: Be Scofield -- The Truth Is ???

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Let's take a deep breath and calm down.

Let's avoid going after people personally that post here.

Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

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Regarding the timeline, in a piece written by JS and shared on ShinningWorld:

[www.shiningworld.com]

JS shares that he first met Chinmayananda in 1969. He then goes on to share that he traveled a bit and then spent 2 years with Chinmaya in India before returning to the US to teach. JS also mentions 40 years ago in the article, written in 2014, which by subtraction provides a date of 1974. So his initial tenure with Chinmaya appears to be sometime between 1969-1974. This puts him with Chinmaya and claiming moksha well before meeting Heather in the early 1980’s.

Re: Mooji cult: summary, ressources and reports from people who left the cult

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Re: Mooji a cult? new
Posted by: Valma ()
Date: March 12, 2019 08:37PM




On questioning Mooji let us listen to what someone has to say:


" As a person who has been involved in investigative journalism for 25 years, I would say that what Be Scofield reports is both credible and troubling. It is not perfect, but it raises a number of points which deserve more scrutiny, something that many are clearly trying to avoid.

A bit of background: I was involved with Rajneesh (Osho) both in Poona and for the entire experience in Oregon from 1980-1985. I was very close to Sheela and the inner circle around her, as well as with many of Rajneesh's closest disciples, who lived with and took care of him. I know what went on behind the curtain, and how it contrasted with what was presented when Rajneesh was "onstage". The theatrics surrounding Mooji are disturbingly similar to what Rajneesh had going on, and the behind-the-scenes stories are also familiar.

To those supporting Mooji, I would ask: Have you been in his presence when he is not "onstage" performing his act in front of all his followers? There are sannyasins today who still think Rajneesh was the "Master of Masters", a perfect realized being showering his love and grace upon the Buddhafield. They are laboring under this illusion to this day, knowing nothing of how he was in the privacy of his home, or his micromanagement of all aspects of the commune; of his heavy drug use, or the fits of anger, his physical violence with his girlfriend, the manipulation of his followers and sexual improprieties with his female disciples, of which I have firsthand knowledge from those who were subject to it.

To those to whom the illusion of his "enlightenment" still plays an important role in their lives, the discussion of these facts are met with denials on all levels--from tortured justification to outright denial. The pattern fits perfectly those who are presently refusing to consider Mooji's human failings. I am not saying that Mooji is a "bad person", nor am I comparing him directly to Rajneesh, who had different weaknesses. What I am saying is that Mooji is not what he presents himself to be. The whole "perfect realized one" act is show. He is as human as the rest of us, and that is where the problem lies--not that he is human, with human failings, but that he must maintain a fiction.

The real problem lies with those who follow him, and must create the fiction of a "realized being" in order to avoid their own responsibilities for their lives. They use him to escape themselves, not to find themselves, in the same way that one would use drugs to get high, or go to a rock concert in order to join a group mind and check out of themselves. More and more they use him for catharsis, and the release they get they mistake for some sort of awakening.

It may well be that Mooji serves some people in a way that they find valuable, but he is not what he pretends to be. The acid test will be how his present disciples react when more information comes out, which it is sure to do. If Mooji or his organization were not afraid of how the bad publicity would affect their bottom line, they would not be hiring lawyers to threaten his critics. These are not tactics of love, but of power."

Re: Mooji cult: summary, ressources and reports from people who left the cult

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Posted by: clearvision ()
Date: March 13, 2019 03:40AM




The following comments were written in response to the recent Joan Tolifson article on Mooji (they were deleted later) The commenter was present for a lot of the things in Scoflields article that are dismissed as "gossip" or "rumor"


“I saw him yell at his daughter in little Jamaica after she said she wanted to leave Sahaja. I know he had the heron killed. I was in the meeting and one of his bodyguards said “can’t we just get more fish from the store” he was told “No, that’s not how Mooji wants it handled.” He ordered it killed (SHOT DEAD FROM THE SKY)!!!!!
I saw him throw water in the face of my friend. I will not tell you her name! She does not deserve your doubts! I saw him backstage after satsang and I heard him say to go be with other teachers if you love them too. I adored him. It broke my heart to see what I did. I can not follow a man who DOES ask to surrender to him, as a guru, not as a clean vessel of light. He is not clean!!!! You guys are so upset whenever any one says what they saw and then you ask people to come forward. And Joan it is not well known (until now) that he is having sex with Krishnabi. You all are being given hard fought through truths that have been absolutely heartbreaking to experience and treating them as gossip. I’m not gossiping. That’s all I will say. You don’t know. Karen knows. I know. And I’m called arrogant and presumptuous with too many expectations. No. I love Christ with every ounce of my being and that’s what speaks now.”

“And for the record seeing what I did, outside of retreats and the “on stage” Mooji was heartbreaking, and it’s the best thing that ever happened because I don’t have to call the article “gossip” and I am free of him and on my way.”

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Re: Mooji a cult? new
Posted by: clearvision ()
Date: March 23, 2019 10:01PM




This is a great post from Chidambar Stef on the facebook group Nonduality Salon:


New guru same old same old scandal.

I have known a certain now famous and wealthy guru for many years since he first started arriving in Tiruvannamalai with the Lucknow crowd after Papaji’s passing in the mid 90’s.

At first I liked him a lot as he was funny, warm and relational and was not so interested in manifesting the “great man at the centre of the circle ” role that he later perfected. I met him and chatted with him in some of the shanty cafés around Tiruvannamalai and later noticed that he was beginning to develop an aura of “one who knows” and was often surrounded and clearly enjoyed the (then) small group of mostly female seekers and few sensitive men that surrounded him.

While I had zero interest in hanging with gurus, having been in a highly guru-centric cult for several years, I went to a few Satsangs over the years. Whilst I enjoyed the group meditation and earnestness of the attendees, I noticed how he was developing his style and subtly shifting his presentation of “we are all here together in this” to “I am here enlightened and you are too but you don’t know it” to “Just hang with me and you’ll be fine”. It was a short hop to tears of devotees, foot-washing and the sale of the “sacred soil” He had walked on.

Many of these professional teacher/gurus operate in a similar style to the professional“psychic mediums” who perform in theatres. In front of a large crowds; these apparent psychics say, “I am getting a ‘J’ is there someone in the audience who had someone recently passing with a J? ” Of course, there is always someone in a large audience who had an uncle John or aunty Joan recently passed. From then on in the audiences content is reflected back to them.

This guru points to the present aliveness that is clearly here and now in everyone who is reading these symbols in this moment. Concerns of the audience are undermined in classic Advaita Vedanta style by pointing the questioner to their own awareness.

This type of Satsang depends on what the audience bring and of course they are mostly full of projection about what the “wise one” will say. What is clear to me is that this wise one was often winging it and while there clearly was some insight and understanding, one could find the same among many who had been engaged in spiritual practice for more than a few years.

The professional “guru” needs the disciple to give him the submissive attention to empower his role as “wisdom holder”.
There is self abasement and self disempowerment of and by the seeker, who is used to this submission via parental and societal programming. There is a group energetic field that arises when any group focus on one person or persons, be it at a football match, political rally, music concert or Scientology meeting. That buzz indeed may lead to a limited type of self-transcendence and one feels part of a greater whole.

Pop stars, sporting events, politicians, including National Socialism, the Nazis, and Trump appeal and work the same territory. “Forget your everyday and look at me!”

The understanding of group dynamics is essential for the modern professional guru. An inner core of totally devoted followers must be created and maintained through both cajoling the “ego” or “mind” of those that have any doubts, and praising the self abasement and imagined progression of the seeker as s/he surrenders more and more of her/his previous points of view. A new “healthier” and more “spiritual” group point of view is encouraged and one suddenly finds oneself embraced, welcomed and “loved” by the community. One has suddenly “found the one, the way and the truth”. The honeymoon begins...

Surrender of one’s moral framework happens step by step until a little way down the line one becomes both addicted to the buzz of being with the “perfect one” and the fuzzy feeling of merging with the group mind, such that one lives in a state of suspended investment of one’s previous mental/emotional condition and constantly turns to the guru or the group for guidance and re-assurance. Anything that seems suspect is interpreted as “resistance”, “ego” or “mind”.

I watched this particular teacher rise and assume the mantle of “The Guru” with all the business, videos, books, retreats and the necessary self promotion that goes with that role. As the crowd grew so did the usual insider/outsider game. I watched as he appointed others, who had “got it” to teach his method and watched them become “holy”, start off their own franchises and be able to pronounce that others were “getting it” or “not quite yet”.

I was curious because there was indeed a buzz in attending these larger groups and they reminded some of the Satsangs around Papaji where a taste of present moment freedom would spark off in one and then spread to many.

So if people were experiencing freedom in his company what was the problem? I felt in my core that this was off but didn’t know exactly how? I asked within to be shown the answer to this question.

A few days later it was this teacher’s birthday and after Satsang he walked among the crowd giving sweets to the adoring crowd. When he came to me, I remained simply present without any projection positive or negative. As he handed me a sweet, he looked at me and flinched in recoil; I was not one of those looking at him with any kind of wide-eyed adoration or attitude.

Outside the Satsang hall his crew was selling tickets to his birthday party later that evening. On the same evening I was invited to a birthday party of the six year old son of an Indian friend and there was no way that I wanted to buy an expensive ticket to a “birthday party” of this guru, but an inner urging prompted me to buy a ticket.

I attended the delightful and simple birthday party for the young boy down by the lake in a simple hut with a few Indian friends. On my way back to the room I was staying in I passed by the venue where the guru was holding his birthday bash and entered to find a section of the compound cordoned off.

I came up to a small gate where I presented my ticket to two beaming female devotees who wanted to stamp my wrist with the dayglo inks that are routine procedure at big rave music events. I told the “gopis” that I would only attend for 15 minutes maximum so would not let them ink my arm.

As I passed through the barrier I noticed a number of stalls selling expensive vegetarian food, the guru’s books, CD’s, photos, beads and paraphernalia.
My attention was drawn by the blast of music slightly further away and I turned to see the guru at the very centre of fifty or so people. He was dancing with his hands upraised while the group around him in a tight circle pressing to get close to him as they chanted his name over and over.

It was then that my question as to why this whole guru scene was off became answered. While he was providing something to this gathering and sharing the message Papaji had shown him, it was all about him and his need to be at the centre. While there was an undoubtedly charismatic nature to this man, it reminded me of the glow that had surrounded a man I had run into in a small street in London many years ago- his name was Paul McCartney.

I was also instantly reminded of U.G. Krishnamurti’s comment about the gurus who pick your pocket and sell you back your own wallet.

When we make a man an infallible god, egoic inflation and claims of abuse are almost bound to follow.

Caveat Emptor.

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Re: Mooji a cult? new
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: March 27, 2019 05:01AM


I have something that Mooj's team can't take down so easily.

This was a public Facebook conversation that took place over two weeks ago under one of the many, many copies of Be Scofield's article that have been shared all over Facebook and beyond...

This conversation has been up for over two weeks and been seen by countless people, no doubt, but just in case it gets deleted I will transcribe it here:


Marna:
"I sat with with him (Mooji) in Tiru India Over 10 years ago. I was there with a girlfriend of mine, he used his charisma as a teacher to have sex with her, she felt manipulated and awful about it And he had a girlfriend at that time.. It was very disturbing for both of us. Because of what I witnessed of him in India this doesn’t surprise me. It’s a slippery slope that any sort of teacher has. That requires impeccable detail to your own humanness."


Pernilla:
"I know this story, Marna, because we were both there when it happened. He never showed any respect or honoring of her afterwards, and it sounded like he got what he wanted and left her in the trash not caring how it was for her.
It obviously took her some time and introspection to heal that experience.
He actually stayed at my house a few years later with his 'entourage' and even though I had opened up my house for them to stay, and didn't have a problem with that, I never felt moved to go to any of his satsangs. And I also didn't appreciate the way he was with his girlfriend. I didn't see any behavior of honoring her as the Goddess, nor spending quality time with her. Something was definitely missing as far as I could see - granted from my limited view."


Nicola:
"thank you for sharing this. Yes it is a slippery slope especially when no one and no structure is in place to hold a teacher accountable. I think sitting on the throne of the ultimate is a dangerous place to be. Your girlfriend is one of the many who experienced this behavior of his. even if some have spoken up they are dismissed or pushed out. It does indeed Impeccable integrity and humility when having such a power position, especially in the spiritual field."

Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

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The thing is with moksha it is very hard to know at times. However, scripture says that ones own mind can slightly color things once moksha is attained. This goes back to the jnanam carrying on working.

And this is linked to whether one has moksha or not. I find it incredible that JS would claim this, whenever SWami Dayananada specifically said he himself did not get it after ten years. In fact, Swami Dayananda was told that he was not being taught Vedanta properly by Chinmayananda. Swami Dayanananda had to go to another Swami in order to be shown how. And then he quickly got it.

In any event, why would JS even want to go learn with Swami Dayananda anyhow. I'm unsure if JS was threw out in either India or the USA ashram that Swami Dayananda formed.

Regarding his piece you have linked...


He speaks of not needing to seek anymore, and this would imply moksha. However Shiningworld are a victim of their own inaccurate teachings. They regularly proclaim people enlightened, and they call it self-realization. This is in the niddhyasana stage, they says things like, 'seeker turned finder'.

However, knowing for a fact there terms does not mean moksha in reality, they further confuse by teaching things like nididhyasana never ends for jiva. It does. I've had some teachings of Shiningworld looked at, and this is another that is wrong. Verified to me by well known Swami.

If a person has not attained moksha, but this 'realization' whatever, they have not had proper teachings. So they stay in binary. there is no Advaita, no enlightenment. If however, a person has had proper teachings, with enough nididhyasana it does end for the person. it has to. Isabella posted this teaching, and it was checked by a well known swami and said to not to be accurate.



Moksha, enlightenemnt is only when the vritts of what they are is solid, and the understanding of Tat Tvam asi is there. There are further complex ways this can be shown, but its gonna be a turn off here for a lot of readers, so im writing this as Shiningworld will see it really.

So, Isabella, nididhyasana is only for one thing. To assimilate in the buddhi that one is Brahman. That is it. Your confusion comes from you assuming that just because avarana shakti, maya, has the power to cloud even jnani, enlightened being, that somehow the jnani needs nididhyasana? How is that even possible?

Only an ajani, an un-enlightened person would think this. A jnani also have the assimilate vritti, thought, that they are not the mind. So whether the mind forgets or not, upon remembering, the jnani knows as they are Brahman, that they never forgot. And as time moves on, if their has been proper teaching, then two vritis, thoughts are side by side. I am Brahman, and the person thoughts.

So nididhyasana does end. The mistake is a rookie one Isabella. And this is in part because of the non completion of teachings your own teacher, JS has gave you. But also because you have been elevated to a de facto head of Shiningworld, without earning it spiritually, merely by being the wife.

Shiningworld is going to fall. Are both of you ready, I wonder. This is an extremely successful topic. Because of it's traffic. Its purpose is working.

Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

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For the record, here below one of the messages (found on a thread about Mooji) sent by someone who had an interaction with JS this year, not 40 years ago:


Posted by: AnnetteChappelle ()
Date: May 08, 2019 11:02PM

I have an UPDATE to share,

I ended up writing to James Swartz and asking him to please take the article down as I didn’t realize that he would be using my emails and personal story on his webpage.
(I didn’t want to be combative so I didn’t bring up the change from what was written between us and what he actually put in the article).

His response was to send me the disclaimer and then say I was being afraid of Mooji. In the disclaimer it said he would keep me anonymous. The rest of his very lengthy reply I will not go into here. But it made me feel really uncomfortable (and not in the way hearing the truth can sometimes feel). The uncomfortable a person feels when they realize they opened up to the wrong person about deep wounds.

I sent one email back just restating my request and saying again I was unaware he would use this and hadn’t read a disclaimer first and to please take it down. I also told him that writing I was anonymous source for Be article, after I had shown him this was already on the internet did identify me. If there is only one unicorn and her name is Annette Chappelle, you can say a unicorn shared this and it’s pretty much like saying Annette Chappelle shared this. He must have seen that point because he took that part out. But the way he responded the second email left me no doubt that this “teacher” can’t really be connected to Source.

Since this has happened to me I share it for others to learn from as I can not speak for “Heather” but the emails back included violence and sex in his responses that had no place in my simple request.

This man could do A LOT of damage to an impressionable and trusting mind. I don’t buy his bullshit for a minute because I know he’s not CLEAN.

BEWARE of him.

Snowball Down a Hill ~ I've Waited for a Decade

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Wow!
Thanks to the brave souls who leaked the videos & tapes.

So Tulsi is initiated... We all know what that means. She is all in.

Now get the info out to the media who are sweet on Tulsi. Interesting that it is not her own party promoting her.

Some conservative, libertarian, & classic liberal types like her anti-war stance and non-intervention policy. No matter. Wonder if they would approve of a meddling homophobic guru behind her whole campaign? The secrecy & deception must end. No one can trust an elected official who behaves in this way.

Please comment on the following media influencers on their YouTube channels or contact them directly.

Dave Rubin, a gay man is so smitten with Tulsi that he is featuring many clips of his recent interview. I doubt he has any idea of her links to this homophobic cult. His questioning does not reflect that. Please contact him with your articles & research.

Dave Rubin Contact

Tim Pool
16 Washington St
Unit 817, norwalk CT 06856

Alex Jones & Info Wars

Tucker Carlson

Neil Cavuto

Mike Cernovich

Scott Adams

Steven Crowder

Stefan Molyneux

All of these and more are giving Tulsi great publicity.
Please share this info.

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That is a really good post. And agian, as it's not only the Shiningworld High Command that read this, but more and more of it's members, there needs to be a real warning gave here.

I've personally spoke to many people who have contacted Shiningworld teachers in confidence, only to end up having their lives made public. It matter's little if a name is omitted or something changed.

What the staff are not realizing, or simply do not care, is that people who have had traumatic pasts have spoke to them in private emails, about their lives. Shiningworld staff have simply no way of knowing the potentially traumatic effect that having private teacher student confidentiality made public, might do. I've spoke so some who have been seriously traumatised over this exact thing Valman. So Thankyou for highlighting.

THis is another form of abuse. For one, the teacher-student confidentiality is not adhered to by these people. I mean, is there nothing sacred to them? There actually seems to be nothing that they will be dharmic to in regard to students.

Heather was a student. Look at her. From them on, once thing after another with these people. The most disgusting, and adharmic behaviour torwards students.

Next time James and Isabella are canvasing for money, buyer beware!

Re: Mooji a cult?

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On September 16, I sent the email I copy below to Mooji Dana team to get the money back from online retreats and Sahaja Express subscriptions. A week has passed and I have no answer. Actually, I already asked for the money back in March 2019, but they only returned the one from the Monte Sahaja donations, not the one from the retreats online and subscriptions.
So today I sent a request for help to link on the Foundations you put here telling them what happened to me. We will see what happens, because they will contact Mooji on my behalf.

Sirs,
In May 2019 I wrote un e mal to you. It said:

Good Morning

Sorry for my English because it is not my mother tongue. Wish you understand my mail.

I have needed some time to digest the disgust I had when reading Be Scofield's story about Mooji, time I've spent looking for more information on the subject to be objective. Information that I have found and from which I put the links below.

From 2013 I trusted Mooji, some things seemed strange to me, like kissing the feet, putting his shoes, his bodyguards, the songs praising him, this Mooji Ki Jai!, but I tried to understand his explanations: like it is normal to kiss feet in India, the guards are to protect him, the adoration shown by the devotees it is normal, it is also normal to give everything to the Guru until the last cell of the body.

So, I still let myself be hypnotized by his words and I had some openings of heart, that now I can see they were in my imagination. From 2013 I considered him my teacher and therefore I contributed economically in what I could: Satsangs, online retreats and money for Sahaja,

That's why I feel cheated because the Mooji that I knew, on stage, is not the one behind. He has light and shadow as we all have and he is not awake, nor is he recognized disciple of Ramana or Papaji.

My feeling is that I bought something in poor condition, like when you buy from Amazon and the product does not work out well. In this case worse because it sells something that is very intimate, sells awakening and plays with your heart, love and affection.

So, I would like to get my money back, not from the meals or the stay in Zmar, but from the presumed teachings in Satsang. You can find all my invoices in my Cleeng account.

I also ask you please to unsubscribe my mail in your listings.

Attentively
Magda

1/4/2019
Your reply was:
1/4/2019
Dear,

Following your request. A refund will be made for your donations, the details of these donations are detailed below:

21st Feb, 2015 - €30
2nd March, 2015 - €30
24th Feb, 2017 - £25 - ID: 32U84057D7761354D
18th Mar, 2017 - £25 - ID: 8L1037680S601524L
21st Nov, 2017 - £20 - ID: 5XE694408V5209055
3rd Jun, 2018 - €25 - ID: 9FF69323HN8179159

In loving service,

MOOJI DANA TEAM

That money corresponded to the donations I made directly to Monte Sahaja, but not to what I claimed, which was the online retreats and also the subscriptions to Sahaja Express that I made through Cleeng. I enclose a screen print with payments. The total is € 1944.55. As I noted below detailed:

Zmar may 2015 Online Silent Retreat 186,33 €
Sahaja Express monthly subscription 29,06 € July 2015
Monte Sahaja retreat July 28 190,07 €
Zmar September 2015 online 183,90 €
London online November 2015 129,61 €
2016 Zmar online May 170,59 €
First Monte Sahaja online 2016 117,77 €
Second Monte Sahaja online 2016 117,77 €
Zmar online September 2016 113,99 €
Lisbon online April 2017 77,77 €
Zmar 2017 May online 117,28 €
Monte Sahaja online July 2017 123,12 €
Monte Sahaja online August 2017 122,32 €
2017 Susc Sahaja Express Dec 23,30 €
2018 Susc Sahaja Expres January 23,50 €
August 2018 Netherlands online 91,67 €
June 2018 Monte Sahaja online 126,50 €

Waiting for your refund.
Yours sincerely
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