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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

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How Ironic...


Based on the recent posts, I would conclude:


“For the truth about James Swartz, Ask Heather.”

And also

“For Spiritual Truth, Instead of Swartz, Also Go To Heather.”


Many of Swartz’s students over the years have moved on to better teachers, teachings, and away from his dark energy and foul presence. Some of these fortunate escapees have come to “very good places” spiritually.  

Earthquake is one of these, and more and more it is obvious that Heather herself is, too.

Re: Be Scofield -- The Truth Is ???

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The Truth About Be Scofield Is the Focus Here.
Right now,
Based On All Credible Evidence,
She Is “Innocent.”



I am not the issue. Be Scofield, and an obvious attack on her by a person she has identified as Alexander Fred, is. Be Scofield asserts that this person Fred is a professional cyber-bully for hire.

A supposed “Erin” made claims. The story included some local color and landmarks, and it placed Be Scofield in Berkeley when she was actually there. However, the accusation’s lies, mistakes, and flaws tore it apart from within. (These are detailed in earlier posts on this forum, and in the retort by Be Scofield linked to above.)

As regards the similarities between pseudo-Erin’s story and Heather’s, if it is correct that the whole drug-hypnotize-rape-threaten scenario is common among bad spiritual teachers, then again my point is proved. All Alexander Fred apparently did was to take a (sadly) common story, insert some stray facts and local color to make it seem real if only viewed superficially, and then put this all together to create Erin’s sad tale. Heather withdrew for a while because of actual PTSD. “Erin” withdrew because Fred saw his fake accusation had been seen through.

Again, I am not the issue here, but I will say that I was sent the link to Be Scofield’s article by a mutual friend. I didn’t even know it was “early.” My friend said the link could be shared, and I went with it (after a careful reading which was quite convincing regarding the ex-con Alexander Fred being the paid attacker and totally devastating the false rape allegation).

In the post above behavior by Be Scofield in a private Facebook group is mentioned that Whoisit19 and Alexander Fred were both members of. Were they coincidental co-members? Plus, if they were both there under aliases to spy on Be Scofield, how would they know the other was there?

The attacker of Be Scofield has lost. She is not perfect, but there is absolutely no evidence she is a rapist, and only vaguely worded assertions and accusations that carry no weight to attempt to prove she is some sort of dangerous sociopath.

That attacker of Be Scofield tries to prove her to be evil and sociopathic with statements which say that this is how she is, but that then give no evidence for it. Be Scofield is mean to people. Who? When? Be Scofield engaged in shocking behavior. How so? When? Where? With whom? There is no meat to those bones.

More accurately someone could write, “Be Scofield revealed truths about some spiritual teachers that really upset them. She is not perfect, though, of course, and might have missed the mark on some others. Plus, sometimes she might go after relatively benign teachers while skipping terrible ones (like James Swartz).”

Of course, Be’s attacker has apparently been well paid by one of the gurus she revealed as being, to put it mildly, terribly abusive, so, having been paid, he won’t ever write the truth.

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Maria Lena - good for you! Let hope and pray that you get your money back, as you well deserve and as everyone who has been ripped off by this cult deserves, too.

A document was given to me by a former cult member a few days ago - I will publish it here with their full permission.


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Moo enterprise per year (blue color shows estimation, black shows confirmed numbers)

India:
2000 participants, 25 days
Satsang is free, but from my own seva experience I know how much money people donate.
2000 people giving 2€/day for 25 days = 100.000€
Shop 25 days: 12.500€

India altogether: 112.500€

Zmar retreats:
800 paying participants (375€) 300.000€
856 online participation (115€) 98,440€
7 days shop selling somethink like 50.000€
Income just from one Zmar reatreat: 448.440€
2 Zmar retreats per year: 896,440€

9 Sunday satsangs:
each 650 participants
Satsang is free, suggested donation 5€ per person: 3250€ per satsang
Shop: 3000€ per satsang

9 Sunday satsangs: 30.250€

Lisbon Intensive:
766 participants in person (300€): 229,800€
1000 online (77€): 77.000€
Shop: 30.000€
Lisbon intensive: 336.800€

2 Sahaja retreats
721 participants in person (375€): 270.375€
2000 online (123€): 246.000€
Shop during 20 retreat days: 30.000€
2 Sahaja retreats: 546,375€

One sangha gathering in MS, 7 days:
440 participants, satsang free
Housing and food (35€/day): 107.800€
Donations: 5000€
Shop: 10.000€

One sangha gathering: 123.800€

One being forum, 1 day
2500 participants (30€): 75.000€
Donations and shop: 5000€
Online participation?
One being forum: 80.000€

Madrid sangha satsang, one day
1040 participants (30€): 31.200€
Donations and shop: 3000€
Online?
Madrid sangha: 34.200€



Sahaja express:
Cost: 25€, subscribers: 2500: 62.500€ per month
Sahaja Express subscription per year: 750.000€

Karma yogis staying in Sahaja:
50 people, cost 35€/day= 1750 per day
Karma yogis housing and food per year: 638.750€

Moojis houses/appartments rent:
8 houses /appartments: 500€/month
Rent per year: 48.000€

Online Shop
12.000€ per year

Booksales on Amazon or other platforms
1000 books per year, 15€ per book: 15.000€

Food paid by visitors and workers who live outside
40 people per day: 5€ for one meal, 10€ for 2 meals: 146.000€

Snack Shop and Cafe in MS:
200€ per day: 73.000€


Summed up here we have 3.204.365€, but there is one important source of income still missing:

General Donations:
Moo gets Millions of € per year from donations. This is summed up via small donations from many people and „big“ donators, who spend 100.000€ per year or more.
Estimated: 3 mio €


Alltogether: 6.204.365€ per year
Even if some numbers are estimated too high, there is still a huge gap between the official numbers which can be found here: [beta.companieshouse.gov.uk]


How is Moojis empire structured:

UK Mooji Foundation Ltd : [beta.companieshouse.gov.uk] This foundation has 1 paid employee and is giving money to Associacao Mooji sangha.

Mooji Media Ltd : [beta.companieshouse.gov.uk] All profits are donated to UK Mooji foundation Ltd.

ASSOCIAÇÃO MOOJI SANGHA: Monte Sahaja ashram belongs to this foundation. The foundation gets itsmoney from Mooji foundation Ltd
The land Monte Sahaja does not belong to Mooji himself, close devotees bought it and later it become part of this foundation.

Jai Sahaja—Alojamento e Comercio de Productos Basicos, LD: housing in MS and product selling



Just as s reminder how spiritual teachers-gurus, who charge money, should handle it: (from Rick Ross)


"You are right these are "different times" that require different steps taken to insure integrity and prevent abuse.

When people like Mooji run a large enterprise that has substantial cash flow, but is supposedly for a spiritual nonprofit purpose, there must be meaningful financial transparency and accountability. Otherwise it becomes a cash cow for the guru to milk for his or her own selfish needs.

Meaningful financial transparency includes an annual published budget published publicly and/or distributed to all supporters, which discloses all expenses, salaries and compensation paid out from organizational funds in detail and that is independently audited by a reputable firm.

In addition to meaningful financial transparency there must be meaningful accountability to a democratically elected board
composed of board members that serve fixed terms elected by the general membership of the organization.

There must be organizational corporate bylaws in place that explicitly provide for all of this otherwise the organization is little more than a dictatorship subject to the whims and selfish desires of the leader or guru."

Re: Mooji a cult?

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I copy the reply about mu complaint ,
Dear Ms

Your complaint about Mooji Foundation Ltd

I am writing further to your complaint dated 22 September 2019 regarding Mooji Foundation Ltd. We have looked at your concerns and for the reasons explained in this email your complaint is outside of our remit.

The complaint

You told us that your complaint is that you want your money back from Mooji Foundation Ltd. To support your complaint you provided a copy of the emails you exchanged with the charity.

Within the attached emails, you said that you would like the money back for the online retreats and subscriptions you purchased as you feel “cheated” as Mooji is not genuine. You also said that your “feeling is that I bought something in poor condition, like when you buy from Amazon and the product does not work out well. In this case worse because it sells something that is very intimate, sells awakening and plays with your heart, love and affection.”

The emails show that you have received a refund for the donations you made to Monte Sahaja but to date, you have not received a refund for the online retreats and subscriptions paid to Sahaja Express.

You have also provided us with links to two websites that suggest that the charity is a religious cult.

Our role

Part of our role is to investigate complaints from members of the public about charitable fundraising practice where these cannot be resolved by the fundraising organisations themselves. We do so by considering whether the fundraising organisation has complied with the Code of Fundraising Practice (the code), which outlines the legal requirements and best practice expected of all charitable fundraising organisations across the UK. Where poor fundraising practice is judged to have taken place, we can make recommendations for remedy and implement changes to the code.

Reasons for our decision

From our initial consideration of your complaint, we note your primary concerns relate to if Mooji Foundation Ltd is a genuine charity rather than fundraising. On this basis, you complaint is outside of our remit.

However, it is our view that your concerns may be of interest to the Charity Commission for England and Wales. The Charity Commission is responsible for ensuring that charities are accountable, well run and meet their legal obligations. You can read more about the Charity Commission via this link to their website: [www.gov.uk]. If you would like to register your concerns directly with the Charity Commission you can do so by completing their raise a concern form: [forms.charitycommission.gov.uk]

You can also report your concerns regarding the products that you believe you were mis-sold to Trading Standards who gather intelligence to protect businesses and consumers from criminal activity. You can find out more about your local Trading Standards office by following this link :[www.citizensadvice.org.uk]

We are sorry that we are unable to assist you with your complaint but we hope we have explained clearly why.

Yours sincerely,




Kind regards



Karen Dempsie

Case Officer

Fundraising Regulator

CAN Mezzanine
2nd Floor, 49 - 51 East Road
London N1 6AH

T: 0300 999 3412

The Fundraising Preference Service is now live. More information can be found here.

W: www.fundraisingregulator.org.uk

Email signature new fundraising code



The Fundraising Regulator is a company limited by guarantee (No. 10016446) registered in England and Wales.

The registered office address is:



2nd Floor, CAN Mezzannine, 49-51 East Road LONDON N16AH

So, next thing to do is write tonthe Charity Comission

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Yes, Maria Lena,

I believe that the Charity Commission is the way to go. I think they will be very, very interested in this.

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Interesting case where the U.K. Charity Commission freezes the bank accounts of a certain charity for dipping into the charitable funds for their own personal benefit....

[hsfnotes.com]

Good to see that the Commission dose actually have some power and do take their role seriously.
Just saying.

Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

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Dear James Swartz, Sunny Jim, Jim, Rama, The Man Whose Name Must not be Spoken...

DID YOU ENJOY?

Please refer to your old "teacher"...the guru of whose lineage you claim to be a part of...

[www.youtube.com]

When you raped me, hypnotized me, drugged me, caused me, against my will, to do disgusting and shameful things...when you sinned...when you heard the voice of the Lord...when your lust ruled you, when anger ruled you, when you unleased your violence upon me...tell me, did you have a struggle between your intellect and your mind ("conscious prick" from the youtube video)...you used me as your "sense object"...tell me...DID YOU ENJOY????

Sin.

You are a liar. You lie to your followers. You are a rapist.

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Exactly, it's way to go to UK Charity commission, because Mooji and his community in MS has built their homes from it there without paying regular taxes. The Mooji Media inc. company transfers the all profit to Mooji foundation/charity every year. The Mooji Media inc. must pay regular taxes like other "normal" people outside....Monte Sahaja project is a non-transparent business....

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Mooji foundation for 2018 will be known?:
Next confirmation statement due
09 Dec 2019
Next annual accounts due
30 Sep 2019
[www.duedil.com] (2017)

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Sahara 71 -- I'm not sure your ex cult member is reliable. There are a lot of mistakes in those numbers. I'd tread carefully with their info. First glaring mistake is that India season was 20 days this year (not 25 like in 2017 and no India at all in 2018), and I'd say that the 2000 number is only reached maybe in the last week (if at all!) AND that people definitely do not donate an average of €2 (150 Indian rupees) each per day! That's taking a highly optimistic view of people's generosity ;-) There are loads more mistakes with just about every category, but I'll let you figure the rest out yourself. Also, not all those events happen every year. Spreading false info doesn't help anyone, least of all the credibility of your "source".

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Hi Wombat,

What is your affiliation with Mooji?

How do you come by your information?

Re: Mooji a cult?

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I made the estimation for year 2018 from Satsang fees only:
Intense Satsang –Lisbon-February: €220 x1500 people = €300 000,
Zmar Retreat-Portugal-April: €375 x 850 people = €318 000,
Zmar Retreat-Portugal-October: €375 x 850 people = €318 000,
Monte Sahaja Retreat-June: €550 x 120 people = €66 000,
Netherlands Retreat-August: €330 x 1500 people = €495 000.
Added together, it will be about 1.5M Euros.
It's only the gross incomes for Mooji Media inc. company from satsang fees for year 2018.
I propose to put together the all incomes for year 2018 and compare that with Mooji foundation and Mooji Media inc. online reports at the end of this year 2019.
(minus the expanses, salaries, rent costs, and atc.).

online retreats in average 90-100K euros for each retreats in 2018, it's together 2M Euro + selling Mooji's stuff during retreats....

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Maria Lena Wrote:
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I enclose a screen print with
> payments. The total is € 1944.55. As I noted below
> detailed:
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> Zmar may 2015 Online Silent Retreat 186,33 €
> Sahaja Express monthly subscription 29,06 € July
> 2015
> Monte Sahaja retreat July 28 190,07 €
> Zmar September 2015 online 183,90 €
> London online November 2015 129,61 €
> 2016 Zmar online May 170,59 €
> First Monte Sahaja online 2016 117,77 €
> Second Monte Sahaja online 2016 117,77 €
> Zmar online September 2016 113,99 €
> Lisbon online April 2017 77,77 €
> Zmar 2017 May online 117,28 €
> Monte Sahaja online July 2017 123,12 €
> Monte Sahaja online August 2017 122,32 €
> 2017 Susc Sahaja Express Dec 23,30 €
> 2018 Susc Sahaja Expres January 23,50 €
> August 2018 Netherlands online 91,67 €
> June 2018 Monte Sahaja online 126,50 €
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> Waiting for your refund.
> Yours sincerely

Wow, you attended really a lot of retreats.Far more i ever attended.
But I think it's a pity that you didn't take anything positive out of all these retreats.

I mean, my mooji time is over too and i'm currently tired of teachers. But the time was important and I wouldn't mourn the money of the past but just be here and now.

Too bad you didn't learn anything for yourself there.

Then sure it'll feel like a waste of money.

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Hi Wombat,
my source told me that the figures given were from 2017, so that explains the India discrepancy. If you have more accurate numbers than these, then let us know. My source and their colleagues gave 2 euros each per day while in India. Agreed, they are very generous people. As you can see from the document - (read the first sentence) estimates are written in blue.

So these are estimates, so as the public can get the idea of how a spiritual business operates. For all I know, the Mooji organisation might pull in a lot more money than this.

How are you anyway? Good to see you are still following the conversation! it's been a while :)

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Athos,

Why so condescending?

As you point out you did not attend as many retreats, which would seem to put you in the position of knowing less.

Is it possible you don't know what you don't know and you don't know that you don't know it?

Maybe it's too bad that you didn't learn anything?

Maybe you wasted your money and Mooji took you for a ride?

Wouldn't that be a pity?

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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Pretty sure that by now- this is obvious:

Quote: "NEW STUDY SHOW PEOPLE WHO HATE GAYS ARE GENERALLY LESS INTELLIGENT
April 13, 2019


To have a magazine titled Intelligence call you out for your low ‘cognitive ability’, as they put it, is not exactly a pleasant situation. But that’s what happened to a portion of the 11,654 people who were interviewed for a survey conducted by the University of Queensland in Australia. The results of this study, which was led by Francisco Perales, show that there is a link between the acknowledgement of homophobia by participants & lower intelligence or cognizance levels.

Three fundamental and standardized tests were used to conduct this survey. The first of them is the National Adult Reading Test, which is a commonly used and generally accepted test used in a neurophysiological clinical setting to determine intelligence levels in patients who have been diagnosed with dementia. The Symbol Digits Modalities Test is another test used by the University in their study. This test is normally used to assess the level of brain damage that has resulted from severe injury or diseases and is said to be able to detect cognitive impairment in less than 5 minutes. The last type of test that they used is also frequently used in neuroscience research labs and can be categorized as a memory test.


Armed with the arsenal of tests mentioned above, the survey participants were first asked to take these tests. Following that, they asked people’s opinion on whether “Homosexual couples should have the same rights as heterosexual couples.” Analysis of the survey data revealed that the people who disagreed with the statement had poorer performance in the tests than the people who agreed. It’s not just that; this relationship between the results was maintained even after demographic factors such as education were controlled in a group.

In the words of Perales himself, “Altogether, the findings provide clear evidence that cognitive ability is an important precursor of prejudice against same-sex couples,”

The researchers found that cognitive ability was not the only factor that was affecting the people’s homophobia; education also had a role in it. It is only natural that these correlations would arise between homophobia and intelligence or say, level of education. Bestowing judgement for what a person chooses to be or what they choose to do has always been a specialty for our species. Through this survey, awareness can be raised and education can be suggested as a way of counteracting prejudice towards members of the LGBTQ Community." End quote.



Now consider this: Ignorance, no proper schooling, fear and hatred abound in the Science of Identity.
This is what Butler's cult taught- this is what Butler's cult learned.

The end product will always be a mess.
Yoga, schmoga. give me the truth- the American voters have a right to know.

[www.sciencedirect.com]

Re: Mooji a cult?

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rrmoderator Wrote:
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> Athos,
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> Why so condescending?
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> As you point out you did not attend as many
> retreats, which would seem to put you in the
> position of knowing less.
>
> Is it possible you don't know what you don't know
> and you don't know that you don't know it?
>
> Maybe it's too bad that you didn't learn
> anything?
>
> Maybe you wasted your money and Mooji took you for
> a ride?
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> Wouldn't that be a pity?
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Oh don't worry about me.I learned what i had to learn and have no regrets.


Whatever happens, happens to you by you, through you; you are the creator, enjoyer and destroyer of all you perceive.

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Friends, we have a citizens rights to discuss how money is accounted for in Moos franchise.

Why?

Moo pays no taxes to the IRS. It isn't only Moos devotees who support him.

Moo is indirectly subsidized by those of us who do pay taxes.

He has a burden of proof to all taxpayers that his activities and care for his devotees justifies his not paying tax and being able to accumulate wealth more rapidly than us peasants who do pay tax....and have indirectly subsidized Moo World all these years.

We trust tax exempt spiritual leaders to behave in a worthy enough manner to justify the tax exempt status so many claim for themselves.

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Indeed, corboy, you are absolutely right.

If Moo claims to be a spiritual teacher and is making so much income with his organization, the finance should be clear and available to all to see with no room for any hidden penny.That is pure clear integrity.

If he doesn't, then he should take away the picture of Ramana that is always standing at his side at his satsangs because Moo does not represent at all the values demonstrated by an ascetic like Ramana. This picture is deceiving innocent spiritual seekers as they may believe Moo is living according to Ramana's principles until they are made aware of the estimated figures of his "business".

Re: Mooji a cult?

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Spreading false info doesn't
> help anyone, least of all the credibility of your
> "source".


It is actually the other way round: Mooji has to be open, honest, truthful and credible about:


1. ALL income of his several "comapanies" and where the money goes to
2. about how many people live and work in MS and how they are insured, what the enterprise pays for them in case of illness, age or other challenges
3. about his realtionship with Krishnabai and the sexual misconduct with other young girls
4. about his "enlightenment"
5. if his enterprises deserve taxfree status
6. about his behaviour with close = dependant devotees
7. about general safety in MS
8. about how devotees with mental illness are treated/helped at MS
9. and many other questions, which have been asked over time
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