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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 11:49 am
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The two silent retreats in october Zmar prices go from 618-1073€ depending on accomodation and online it costs 130 pounds.

It is interesting to read:

Please carefully read and make sure you understand the below Terms and Conditions before registering for this event. If you have any questions, please contact us.

General Liability

I agree that Associação Mooji Sangha, and any of their partners (Mooji—Mr. Anthony Paul Moo-Young, Mooji Foundation Ltd, Mooji Media Ltd, Jai Sahaja—Alojamento e Comercio de Productos Basicos, LDA), their directors, officers, helpers and agents, herein referred to as the Organization or us/we/our, shall not be liable for any adverse physical, emotional or psychological effects arising from any of Mooji’s teachings during this event and/or my visit/staying at the Event venue and/or, if different and if the case arises, at Monte Sahaja ashram and cannot monitor my physical, emotional and psychological state. I understand that I am attending and/or watching a Satsang gathering with Mooji that may activate a physical, emotional, and/or psychological reaction. I take full responsibility for assessing and deciding to accept any risks I may incur as a result of my participation/watching of Satsang as well as any risks deriving from my visit/staying at the Event venue and/or, if different, at Monte Sahaja ashram. I agree to fully take the liability for any injuries or damages I might experience arising out of my participation in and/or watching a Satsang gathering and/or from my visit/staying at the Event venue and/or, if different and if the case arises, at Monte Sahaja ashram.

I understand that all Satsangs and instructions will be in English, and I take full responsibility for the understanding of all the instructions, especially if English is not my first language.

I understand that I am responsible for having all necessary traveling documents including valid passport and any necessary visas allowing me to visit/stay at the Event venue and/or, if different and if the case arises, at Monte Sahaja ashram.

We encourage you to have an appropriate travel insurance.

Use of Photography, Recordings and Broadcasting

I understand and agree that any and all recordings of Satsang gatherings, for example voice recordings, images, photos or written words of Mooji are copyright of Mooji Media Ltd. and cannot be used for any purpose without prior written permission from Mooji Media Ltd. I understand and agree that I may be photographed or the subject of video, audio, video-audio recordings, musical composition/performance or visuals of any kind, (hereinafter referred to collectively as the “Material”), taken during my attendance to the Satsang gathering and/or during my visit/stay at the Event venue and/or, if different and if the case arises, at Monte Sahaja ashram, and that Mooji Media Ltd. is the sole owner of all copyright on the above mentioned Material.

I waive all of my rights to this Material, and consent that it may be used without compensation to me of any kind, for an unlimited period of time. I understand my image, voice, dialogue or musical composition may be used in the sharing and promotion of Satsang, or other educational and informational purposes.

I agree to use any Satsang related Material shared with me with integrity and respect for Mooji, the Satsang, the Satsang participants and the Organisation, and only for personal and non-commercial purpose. I agree that I will not take any photographs, audio, video or audio-video recordings of any kind while I am attending any Satsang gathering, and/or during my visit/stay at the Event venue and/or, if different and if the case arises, at Monte Sahaja ashram. All Material related to Satsang with Mooji remains under the sole copyright of Mooji Media Ltd.

In the unlikely situation that in spite of the aforementioned provisions, I will take photos, recordings of any kind, audio, video, audio-video of Mooji, of the Event venue and/or of Monte Sahaja ashram, or Satsang related, I agree that they shall become as well the ownership of Mooji Media Ltd. free of charge, for an unlimited period of time, so that, Mooji Media Ltd. is entitled to ask me with no limitation for any/all of the following actions: to delete and/or destroy the envisaged material, to share it with Mooji Media Ltd. free of charge for an unlimited period of time, or to refrain from using the Material without Mooji Media Ltd’s written consent.

Emergency Contact

I understand and agree that I must disclose an emergency contact name, phone number and/or email address, in case I register to the event, contact that shall be used in the unlikely situation when my physical, mental health and/or safety, or that of others, is in jeopardy. I confirm that I have the emergency contact person’s consent to disclose their data for this reason. I understand and agree that the assessment of the gravity of a situation shall be at the discretion of the Organisation.

Force Majeure

Means any unusual and unforeseeable circumstances beyond our normal control, which the consequences of could not have been avoided even when exercising all due care. Such circumstances or events include, but are not limited to, war, or threat of war, riot, civil unrest, industrial disputes or strikes, unavoidable technical problems with the visa, transport, or closure or congestion of airports, terrorist activity, natural disasters, industrial disasters, fire, theft, flooding and adverse weather conditions. In the event of any of the above refunds or compensation payments cannot be made.

Thus, in the unlikely situation of a Force Majeure event, before and/or during attending the Event and/or, if the case arises, during your visit/stay at Monte Sahaja ashram, we reserve the right to stop the Event and/or ask you to leave the Event venue and/or, if the case, Monte Sahaja ashram without the possibility to be held liable for any damages you may encounter out of this Force Majeure event happening.

Cancellation Policy

If you cancel your participation in the Event for any reason, the cancellation policy below will apply:

If you cancel up to 31 days before the event you will receive a 75% refund.
If you cancel 30 days to 15 days before the event you will receive a 25% refund.
If you cancel 14 days to 0 days before the event you will not receive any refund.
The refund may be requested for medical reason until 14 days after the Event has ended. After this date expires, we reserve our right to refuse any refund.

The above days are calendar days, not including the day on which the Event starts.

Please note that tickets are non-transferable, and as such it is not possible to sell, give or otherwise transfer your ticket to another person.

Changes to our Terms and Condition

Any changes we may make to our Terms and Condition in the future will be posted on our main page www.mooji.org and, where appropriate, notified to you by email.

These Terms and Conditions apply equally for the events and activities organised by the Organisation.

Info in : [mooji.org]
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 12:53 pm
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Maria Lena - thanks for posting - this liability policy is so UNWELCOMING and ONESIDED in M's favor, who would want to participate with him or his group!
It's been said there is one true law: God is One. The further one drifts from that truth, the more laws, rules and regulations are needed. Heaven forbid someone has an 'black market' photo of M - end of the world? and more to the point: one less photo sale for Monte Sahaja.
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Re: James Swartz--my original written account

September 15, 2019, 1:01 pm
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James Swartz used undue influence (hypnosis, drugs, sexual abuse) to get me involved in the sex entertainment industry. He then took me across state lines (that is kidnapping) and had me strip tease. This is defined as human trafficking.


Human Trafficking Defined

Human Trafficking is a crime that involves exploiting a person for labor, services, or commercial sex.

The Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 and its subsequent reauthorizations define human trafficking as:

a) Sex trafficking in which a commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age; or
b) The recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery. (22 U.S.C. § 7102(9)).

[www.justice.gov]
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 5:43 pm
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Regarding the release of liability document..

How can a prospective participant in a Tony Moo satsang/retreat/intensive take full responsibility for accepting the risks when Moo-loyalist trolls disrupt exactly those online discussions where people ARE discussing what they regard as risks?

Are they told about the suicides?

This discussion thread was a sleepy backwater until last year when xivoparig arrived here to describe what she said she saw and overheard, and her worries about the safety of her girlpal.

xivoparig was scared of reprisals. xivoparigs 3 posts unleashed a torrent.

And trolls showed up quickly. Without moderator oversight this discussion would have died in the cradle.

How can anyone "take responsibility" when they do not have access to all reports about Moo, and not just information vetted and approved by the Moo publicity machine?

A person cannot take responsibility for his or her decision unless he or she can make a fully informed decision.

Which is why CEI exists, and why Be Scofield has written that article about Monte Sahaja.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 16, 2019, 12:30 am
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So there seems to be one more company of Mooji: Jai Sahaja—Alojamento e Comercio de Productos Basicos, LDA


Maybe someone can find out more about it?
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 16, 2019, 12:52 am
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Some Zmar numbers:

In the link Maria Lena provided we can read that in one Zmar 2018:
800 paying participants (375€) 300.000€
856 online participation (115€) 98,440€
7 days shop selling somethink like 50.000€

Income just from one Zmar reatreat: 448.440€
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Re: Mooji cult: summary, ressources and reports from people who left the cult

September 16, 2019, 3:25 am
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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: SadGame ()
Date: October 01, 2018 09:48PM

I have closely followed this thread and it has stirred up quite alot of mixed emotions in me. I consider myself to be follower of mooji’s teachings and have internally jumped to his defense on multiple occations, just to be upfront about where i am coming from. At this point i am in the proces of reevaluating Some of the practices that i had considered benign before Reading About them from a ‘cult aware’ perspective, that i have come to learn and appreciate through this site.
The induction of hypnotic states, through Yes sets, anticipation, eye Contact and instructions to let go of all doubts and not to pay attention to the activities of the mind, are all things i can recognise as potentially harmful because they open up the way for the suspension of all critical thinking and even basic rules of moral conduct. I have witnessed in myself the tendency to cover Some of my OWN faults in my personal life with the use of the ‘advaita shuffle’, much to the detriment of Some of my friendships and relationships.

Where I would previously attribute these tendenties to my own lack of right judgement and discernment, I am now starting to see the possibility that they are at least in part moderated by thought patterns that are instilled in us by What mooji teaches us. I still want to OWN up to my own faults, but i feel that there are Inherent flaws in the teachings (pointers whatever..) that dehumanize our reality to a degree that can potentially cause serieus Harm.



Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: SadGame ()
Date: October 02, 2018 05:44PM

Thanks for your kindness sahara71
I am doing fine, ups and downs.

I lack any feeling of belonging, which is why an ultimate identity with pure consciousness is very appealing to me. It is beyond human relationships and independent of them.

That is also why laughter is so effective as a manipulative and rhetoric device, as is being discussed here now. It is quite obvious to me that mooji uses this all the time to overrule any thoughts or feelings that he deems unwelcome, either to the spiritual growth of the questioner, or to his authority as the ultimate beacon of truth.

I like how saharah71 uses Moo instead of Mooji to deflate his God like status to human proportions, Some of his followers started using moojiji at Some point, just one honorary epithet apparantly seemed insufficiënt, where now guruji seems more common.

Moo’s acceptance of personal devotion to him is in stark contrast to the impersonal content of his teaching and is hypocritical in that any personal story is cast aside as an obstacle to the realization of truth, except for the story of his personal realization of this ultimate truth and his embodiment of it. I think, if you meet the buddha on the road, kill him.

Laugh all you want, i don’t want to be the subject of Your laughter, i want to be loved.
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Re: Mooji cult: summary, ressources and reports from people who left the cult

September 16, 2019, 3:29 am
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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: October 18, 2018 05:19AM

I found this comment on the website [gururating.org] -posted on October 5th of this year (2 weeks ago) by "Emely":


I lived at Sahaja with Mooji for quite some time and I can confirm that alot of these allegations are true. I did not want to believe nor see what was really going on at Sahaja even though a few people spoke of things. Every time a serious allegation came up against him it was immediately shut down and labeled “mind activities”. He always pushed us to challenge him and as soon as a challenge arose that critisized him he would verbally attack the person. He teaches us not to be attached to other people but its ok to be attached to him because and I quote “I will never be attached to you”. He constantly reminded us that we are not interesting at all or our stories meanwhile we listened to his life stories everyday. I saw him as a bully but did not want to accept what I was seeing becuase he made me believe it was only my mind. It was by the grace of God that I was able to escape there which he and his crew did not want for some reason. He totally messed my life up, I gave up everything for him. Somehow he put us in direct competition with each to fight for his acknowledgemnet and most of us had no idea that thats what we were doing. I did not realize this until I left. Im so thankful I got away from him, I have had countless nightmares about him. I hope some of you who reads this with doubt in your mind who live in Sahaja trust your feelings. Instinctively you know something is wrong, trust that and really look around you. I pray for his devotees daily. May God have mercy on their souls.



I think this report explains the level of psychological abuse, manipulation and gas-lighting going on in the Moo Cult. Luckily, some people manage to escape!
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Re: Mooji cult: summary, ressources and reports from people who left the cult

September 16, 2019, 4:42 am
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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: yourinlove ()
Date: October 24, 2018 10:26PM


I don't know what Moo's intentions are, sometimes it seems like he is manipulating people willingly, and sometimes it seems like he is leading this total trainwreck without even realizing it.

For me, it started getting weird during the 2017 Rishikesh season, when the Invitation technique was created. He started repeating himself and saying the same things over and over in every satsang. Somehow, people were getting totally blissed out from the Invitation, so he must've thought that this method was IT, despite all of the people having troubles and coming down from the high worse than before. He just kept sharing the Invitation, and putting the blame of its flaws in "the mind". People were sharing how the Invitation was coming short and Moo kept demonizing the mind. He somehow made people believe that there is a villain inside them that should be fought, and the disaster began. Now, most of satsang was spent talking about this apparent bad guy. I don't know if Mooji knew the consequences and issues that would arise out of this, and if he didn't, that's the proof that supposedly enlightened gurus can fuck up just like us.

Soon, The Invitation became a label and books were published about it. In Monte Sahaja, the team put the Invitation to Freedom video playing repeatedly in a room, so that people could watch it anytime and multiple times a day, indifferent to the unhealthiness of this. Every concern that his followers showed was blamed on the mind and the invitation kept being shared. I remember thinking about how it felt like a cult but dismissing that thought for coming from my "ego-mind". To some people (I was one of them), satsang became a drug. We went to satsang, felt bliss as Moo was speaking and telling his dozens of life stories (and telling us that he didn't want to hear our stories), then went home and crashed. Why? Because the invitation doesn't integrate you into the world and normal life. Moo told us constantly that we should refuse going out with friends and family to, instead, stay inside and listen to the invitation. I don't know what kind of spiritual teacher advises their students to run away from the world. To keep the bliss, you have to keep watching satsang and going to Monte Sahaja. He knows just what to say to make you feel special and spiritual. So we kept going and feeling wonderful, then coming back to the world and feeling disappointed. We were told "You're almost there, just one more satsang!", but it was never just one more. When the bliss of one satsang went away, we had to attend another one to recharge. It was the same experience as being addicted to drugs. I realized something was wrong when I began to notice that I was completely indifferent to the real world. I started to feel annoyed at other people and practices, because "the invitation is so simple and instant, why are people wasting time with other spiritual stuff and psychotherapy?!" and this simplicity and effort-free way to bliss is often advertised by Mooji as something positive. I lost all interest in the world and spent half of the day watching satsangs. I began to see some weirder things surrounding Moo, like the suicide of Flo Camoin in Monte Sahaja and how we were advised to keep quiet and not bring it up. I visited this thread many times, and would always leave thinking you guys were all just really identified with your egos. But something was growing inside of me, some skepticism. At one point I searched about how to know if you're in a cult, and everything matched. That was when I left.


I feel especially bad for Krishnabai, Omkara and all of his other early followers. They seem like such wonderful people and don't deserve what is happening to them. They have been with him for such a long time that I believe they can't even imagine walking away from Monte Sahaja and having a life outside of that place. It's a hole that sucks them in. They left family, study, job and friends to waste their youth with this dude. I imagine some thoughts may appear in them about leaving, but they must think that's "just the mind", after all, that's years of being conditioned to distrust their thoughts completely (Ironically, Moo calls this deconditioning). If any of you are reading this thread while inside Monte Sahaja, like I was, just know that there's a way out. It seems unimaginable to leave, but when you do, it will feel like being released from the prison. I want to let you guys know that I think about you all the time.

Right now, it's just me and God on this path, no guru. The pointings that Moo shares are wonderful and life-changing, but somehow he and his followers confused things.
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Re: Mooji cult: summary, ressources and reports from people who left the cult

September 16, 2019, 4:56 am
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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Constantin ()
Date: October 25, 2018 05:17PM

Hello Everyone!

I was very happy to read this thread since many things that are said here have been watched here first hand. I have been with Mooji and later here at Sahaja since 2011.

Its very hard difficult to get out of this cult because the amount of bliss one can receive, or seemingly so.

But red flags kept coming over the years and now.....well it's not a question any more. Mooji is a cult. The amount of evidence is overwhelming.

We can go into detail all day, but i wish to make a few points that have not come to light in this thread so far.

Firstly Moo likes to control peoples lives, down to who they have sex with with. And because of this there are people going around to see who is sleeping with who.

Furthermore Moo has two faces, one in satsang, where he is lovely and friendly, and then there is the other guy who is very bad tempered and can be callus, rough and will talk behind your back.


Mooji does not follow through with things he says and promises. He makes big meetings about something very important, but then nothing happens.

So the outcome is more and more politics and power games within the Ashram.

And again I would like to point out that many of the stories you hear about Moo cult are true, of course not all of it. We always have to watch out for BS.

So thank you all again for this thread, truth is more important than farce.



Moo tried to copy OSHO as much as possible, but mooo is Advaita in the end, which is very different approach.




Re: Jesus did not live in an ashram
Posted by: Constantin ()
Date: October 30, 2018 05:50PM


thank you corboy for your insight.

About m. Sahaja :
There is a major suppression of videos that show anyone asked questions that have anything to do with money or organization or anything that is off his so called "Freedom Questions"
Also other sessions where people stood up and asked about his x girlfriend/wife and the whole ugly mess that followed. In fact their many things hidden from shaja express and utube.




Mooji a cult!
Posted by: Constantin ()
Date: November 07, 2018 09:50PM


HI Everybody, thank you for the help and informations made so far.

Frankly the thread seemed to have exploded as comments keep coming.

Applejuice, sorry, but why discredit me? I saw what I saw. And still see.
Moo can get ugly off camera and he likes young women. That. simple.


Also, I just remembered another thing about moo's early time.
Moo and one prominent follower where both wanting to F^(&^** the same woman.
So in the end Moo simply kicked the guy out. Since reading these long threads memories come back to me from those first days at Sahaja. That was one of them.

Also it is true that there are former osho members active within the inner circle.
I 'm not sure if they wire tap people, but as i have said, the mentality is such that they spy on everyone and report to the moo.

Then yes I have witnessed public shaming many times.

Also I was there in the meeting about the x-girl friend etc etc. it was ugly and can verify about a 100 people and cameras.

Then: the safety issue is also true. Big red flags here. Moo follows no laws on the land and the whole thing is basically illegal, but because of the usual ass licking via the Mayor this is allowed for now. (The fire that broke out was due to Mooo pushing (too FAR) of a project that led to many fumes in the wood working area and all it took was a relay switch that sparked it.) The fact that is was not windy that day saved mooo from a massive catastrophe.

Happy white-washing to those who do not wish to see the truth, which is not always pretty.



Mooji a cult!
Posted by: Constantin ()
Date: November 07, 2018 10:52PM

Yes there are children at the ashram some times.

And then Samadhi,
I knew her myself and we were friends.
I miss her joy and smiles around here.
She broke contact after she vanished.

And the way it happened reflected badly on him and sahaja and this is why there is so much secrecy around it. What ever might put moo in ditch is always pushed aside.

Then on a side note: Mooo own master was vehemently against ashrams and organizations. So it is a bit odd that foney-tony (as papaji called him) should chooses to do exactly the things he own master was against. And then lets himself be celebrated as the god in person. Completely vain and remember this is not a hypnosis!
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Re: Mooji cult: summary, ressources and reports from people who left the cult

September 16, 2019, 5:01 am
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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: StartingOver ()
Date: November 07, 2018 12:05AM

Hey I found this on reddit, it has been removed but I copied it beforehand...



I am writing this open letter as a means to communicate with those who are currently living in Monte Sahaja with Mooji. I have spent over 5 years with Mooji. In those 5 years I was responsible for recruiting those who seemed to be susceptible to brain washing techniques. There is an inner circle that are all highly trained and well experienced on how to successful break down the mind of the followers causing them to be in a constant state of confusion and dependancy. Many of us have worked with other groups that were formed out of India, like the Osho group for example. There are proven techniques that we used which seems to be effective 90% of the time. The advaita teachings allowed us to easily install thought reform techniques.

I know that alot of you may believe that this some sort of joke, and especially you at Sahaja who have already been subverted so allow me to give you certain inside details to ensure my validity. Tony(Mooji) is currently dating Krishnabai from Sweden, whom we targeted from the very beginning. Krishnabai was considered to be very important to our work because she displayed a very stong willingness to submit. It was important that new comers see others willfully giving up their lives for Tony. This creates an illusion that allows them to drop their guards easier. We knew that everyone who came to us had a sense of distrust so our job was to turn that and redirect those feelings into total submission. Krishnabai showed a very strong willingness from the very beginning. To outsiders it appears that she is always happy and full of life, and we knew that others would want what they think she has, but in reality she is amongst the most fooled. She is in worst shape than most there. She is what we call a "useful idiot", a shill.

Others like Omkara and Shankari are also amongst the worst conditions. These young ladies have given up everything for Sahaja, a false dream. When others see their dedictaion they easily conform. In the west there is a growing sense of not belonging so we created the atmosphere of belonging and acceptance, a sense of urgency and importance. Our process worked in different phases which have gone through various testing. From the moment a new person comes in we find out if they are a good recruit or not by how easy it was to get them to conform. If we felt that they were good enough we began our process by love bombing them, and then we start to make them feel that they are not doing enough or are not serious enough. We took them through a process of psychological breakdown.


The intention behind all of this was to extract money, power, control, and sex. We also used a number of ways to communicate to Tony details about followers to make it appear that he had the ability to read others. We did this by installing hidden cameras, recording devices, and and personal spies. Tony would use this info and indirectly use it on the intended target which would cause them to believe in him even deeper. Im sure many reading this are wondering why I chose to come out now about all of this. Well, I have been diagnosed with cancer and I am in the final stages, I have very little time left.

I had been an atheist most of my life but the closer I get to death the more I feel that there may be indeed a God. I have asked for forgiveness from God and vowed to share this information. I sincerely apologize to all those I have hurt. I was living my life without a heart. Tony and the others are also atheist and living without a heart. If you are at Sahaja and reading this I ask you to really use critical thinking and look around you. I know it maybe hard with all the deconditioning that has happened, but really try to look deeply. I wish you all the best moving forward and I hope that you are all able to repair your lives.
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September 16, 2019, 5:03 am
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> So there seems to be one more company of Mooji:
> Jai Sahaja—Alojamento e Comercio de Productos
> Basicos, LDA
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> Maybe someone can find out more about it?

[www.racius.com]
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September 16, 2019, 5:23 am
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Re: Mooji a cult! new
Posted by: StartingOver ()
Date: November 09, 2018 12:58AM


Hi Constantin, from what you are writing I can tell that you are in fact at Sahaja, I was there when they were building the pizza place, I myself helped to clear out the building. If its ok with you I would love to chat with you off of this site in private. There are a people im concerned about there as well as there families, like Amara & Shankari for instance. I tried to get a few people to leave because I could see the danger and somehow Moo knew what I was up to and let me know in front of everyone how he felt. Moo tried his best to keep me there but luckily I came to my senses pretty quickly.

I know there is not a lot of people here who actually have lived in Sahaja yourself and I so I know that we could really share experiences. I actually ran into Moo, Zenji and a few others outside of Sahaja and they appepeared to have an extreme look of anger in their eyes. Moo tried to play it cool but I could tell from the others that they were upset at me for some reason. Anywho I wish you all the best while being there and im here if you need me.



Re: Mooji a cult? new
Posted by: StartingOver ()
Date: November 09, 2018 01:23AM



This discussion seems to have really taken off, I would certainly love to share all that I have witnessed as seeing as it may be beneficial to those living in Sahaja. When I was last at Monte Sahaja Moo had just finish building "Christ Temple" which is a small concrete building for worship with a painting of Jesus that Moo himself painted. He is quite the artist actually which only made him appear more special. I remember once we had Satsang in the dining hall and Moo was pressuring us to challange him saying " I want to meet the bhudda, somebody surprise me, are we not smart enough? Is that what it is? I could tell everyone was scared to get up on the mic but one guy got on the mic shaking and crying and looking deeply into Moo's eyes saying "thank you for returning", As if he was implying Moo was Jesus. Moo just smiled at him and tried to remain silent and then he did this thing where he be quiet for about 30 seconds or so and then he got up and left.

I realized then that most people there considered him to be the return of Jesus. When I would go to Christ temple to meditate I felt that others were worshipping the paintingof Jesus that Moo did as if it were Moo himself. In fact once I mentioned that Moo was not God to one of the devotees and she got extremely violent and angry with me. I knew something was deeply wrong.

Also in Satsang people would make these really loud and strange sounds and Moo would say that old energies are leaving there body. They looked mentally deranged honestly. There was this ethiopian guy there with dreadloacks who honestly was a really nice guy who said that darkness in people could not last long in Sahaja and that Moo could see what was in them and remove it. I was kind of foolish then so I kinda believed it. I felt bad for the ethiopian guy because I could tell that he was lost but kept trying to pretend that he had it figured out. He was even willing to break up with his girlfriend there over Moo. I think Moo intentionally divided them. I could on and on about my time there. I hope this helps you guys a bit.



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Posted by: StartingOver ()
Date: November 09, 2018 02:18AM



That is not true, when I tried to leave they did everything possible to get me stay, they told me things like I was giving up my one and only true opportunity for freedom and it was my mind that was afaid. The way they would look at me and say it would really confuse me and make me feel I needed to stay.The Austrailian woman who works in the office with the English woman are both cold blooded. And also Moo most definitely got involved in my relationship there. His anger towards me about it came off as if he was jealous or something, but im not certain on that its just how it felt. I have many friends there as well who actually won't talk to me now as I guess im seen as some sort of low spiritual loser. Moo went behind my back a few times and spoke bad about me, I told him something very personal and he pretended he cared and then went back and told my story to others while he and the others all laughed. I honestly can't stand that bastard.



Re: Mooji a cult? new
Posted by: StartingOver ()
Date: November 09, 2018 08:27PM


I don't know their real names but the English woman went by the name Priya. Im sure Moo gave her that name. I say these women are cold hearted because I remember sharing intimate stories about my struggles in life and they both just had a blank stare while I was spilling my guts. I could see they had no concern at all, they only wanted to pretend to be happy all the time. I just got a really bad feeling about them. There is also this Russian girl there who goes by the name Sonaja who is leading Moos film team there. She would go and tell Moo and others things about me,I don't think she liked me very much because Moo showed a special interest towards me, There are aot of bullies there.



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Date: November 09, 2018 09:13PM


That was always one of my issues with Moo. He allowed people to worship without saying anything and when I would show independence and the express the importance of independence to others they would inform Moo and he would get angry. Once I did this and all of a sudden a Satsang was called and one of devotees starting telling a story about how in her culture (Islamic) that the students offered themselves completely to the guru so that he could chop their heads or chop what they are not. The whole meeting was just about worshipping the guru and the importance. I knew they did that because of me. Because of my vulnerability I believe that they thought it was easy to fool me.
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Posted by: Abdias824 ()
Date: November 22, 2018 07:20PM

Hello all

I have been following this topic since the beginning and I am grateful to those who moderate and contribute to this neccessary dialogue.

I speak as a former devotee of Moo, as a casualty of his method, and thankfully now as a neutral observer on the path of Advaita.

I have recovered from a truly devastating time in my life which can be directly attributed to the false teaching which moo espouses and the mind control, hypnosis, and psychological tactics which he and his parasitic sangha employ at his estate in Portugal.

I may be vague about any timeline related details because i wish to remain anonymous and the reasons for this will become clear. I can say that i lived at sahaja many times and had close contact with moo, i have seen over the years how the place changed , how moo changed and how the whole organisation has been micro-managed by moo to create a very clever and deceitful trap designed to extract money from genuine seekers and to select people who are vulnerable to the tactics of fear, group-think, mind control and a sexual meritocracy.

I have great empathy and compassion for anybody here who has experienced this personally either at sahaja or anywhere else and encourage you to speak out about your experience .

I am aware of my own fear about talking about this stuff which only helps to remind me that i was completely taken in by a fraudster. Common sense tells me that a genuine, compassionate, loving teacher would not leave me feeling confused, paranoid and deem it necessary for me to hide my identity before discussing my experience around him ? AND YET i can still sometimes question wether the whole thing is just my mind playing tricks on me ( not that often now) here is the residual power of this kind of trickery.

To trick somebody out of a few hundred or thousand quid in some kind of rip off , lets say for example identity fraud or car deal is bad enough but kind of expected these days and is generally forgotten quite quickly. But to trick someone by taking advantage of a genuine desire for Liberation arising out of a state of suffering is perhaps the most heinous of frauds, and it IS fraud because i can tell you that although moo is certainly deluded he knows full well that he is not enlightened, he knows he is lacking and this is what is driving him.

I came to see a positive side in this and here is an explanation of this. be;low is a question i asked a true Sage and his answer is full of light

Q How can i know if a Guru/ teacher is fake?

A Don't waste you're time with this question, ask yourself instead 'is the devotee fake?' A true devotee cannot be fooled by a fake teacher.

It has some depth. It may seem controversial in light of the subject of this thread which is that minds are being controlled and money taken and psychological tactics employed to entrap the unwary but it is a positive message. Most of the readers and contributors to this topic will have already detached from or disregarded moo but may still be caught up in the confusion/disbelief/ self doubt and even despair that that he creates in people so i wanted to add this early on to remind you that it is your great fortune that you have been able to see the falsity of his words through the the very real power that he has. You have learned a vitally important lesson and this has strengthened you in a unique way. Many of those who remain with him are unable to escape the lie, they have abandoned their lives and face a very difficult time ahead when he decides to retire with his millions of euros and boots them all out without a penny to their name and the kind of psychological damage that renders them unable to function in society.

Perhaps some of the readers here are not in search of a teacher or even of some spiritual truth but to those who are, do not be discouraged, you have good intuition and this is vital.

The Sage's answer also reveals another truth. The close sangha and parasitic homeys are not really genuinely looking for a Guru who can set them free. I can assure you that None of his long term team are anywhere near as spiritually developed as they think they are. Time and time again the ones who have been with him for over a decade ( vishnu, rhibu, krishnabai, mirabai, omkara, lakshmi, janaki etc) they go home for a month or two and when they come back its always the same mantra - oh moo my mind came back !! it wass awful , the ego attacked me, society is awful , the energy out there took away my peace blah blah blah. That is not spiritual development , it is a sick dependence on another person to make you feel normal. Very few of these or any of the the parasites at sahaja have any understanding of advaita vedanta, i know because i used to ask them, lots of them, about the vedas, about non-duality, about self enquiry and it baffled me that most of them didnt understand the very basic teachings. All they could do was dismiss the mind/ego as bad and the Guru as good.

Many people came to stay and anyone who had any kind of inner authority born of a direct experience of the truth was totally dismissed or targeted as egoic. Only the ones who were susceptible to the group-think and fear based tactics would be accepted. The whole place is micro-managed by moo, he knows absolutely every fuckin thing that happens there. he absolutely is not interested in anyone who is having a genuine spiritual experience , in fact he often dismisses these as ' just your ego' his interest is in those who are susceptible to the fear and control tactics . What kind of enlightened being needs a a constant team of security day and night , in the middle of fuckin nowhere? he is paranoid , he is deluded and he is a Narcisistic Psychopath in the true psychiatric meaning of the words
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Posted by: Constantin ()
Date: November 27, 2018 06:55PM

Yes so looks like we have some confusion again concerning letters to tony.
For the last 8 years many nasty letters have kept growing in numbers, Families, friends and normal people write to him constantly and some of these are in fact death threats. Some are harmless. some complain about abuse etc. tony takes some times to adress this in forum gatherings reading these aload for all to hear.
It is in these meetings you can observe the real moo.Sometimes he gets very angry about the situation, because they protect moo from everything some letters don't get through. The people who protect mooo are also the ones with the power in the ashram.

And mooo has bought up all kinds of properties and estetes near the ashram raising the rent and costs for the locals up to 25 % He then turns around and leases these properties to faithfull followers.

And for those who don't believe the stories about moo interference in to people's sex lives, the truth can sting



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Posted by: Constantin ()
Date: November 29, 2018 07:01PM


Yes amount of letters he truly gets is not known as i explained before because the group of close individuals who hide and obscure letters and interactions with and from moo. In that way he is really in the dark. He never really knows how much is happening really and what is being said, take into account the vast amount of infighting between various groups in different countries also. And also the normal followers are not always kept up to date a lot happens that is not talked about Gossip is extremely fought and anyone with any stories about anything is sought after. This usually ends with a expulsion.

And those with power are people like, Uma, Shri, Laxmi krishna, parvati, ribu shoban arun and few more.
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Posted by: PapajisaysNO ()
Date: January 31, 2019 12:09AM

Hi everyone.

I have found this thread extremely helpful. I see the clear points being made. Sometimes there so clear I do laugh out loud at what I too experienced at Sahaja and in retreats with Moo and the sangha. I would have loved to have had this thread when I was getting out, so I think it's invaluable.

All the censorship to criticisms, which in most cases are people's unfavorable experiences with Moo is control. Only that which feels threatened needs that kind of control. Moo makes it clear that his brand, his image, is more important than people finding truth with his censorship. It's obvious. If not people could be free to speak without being deleted. That's what he does though, he deletes you.

It's really sad because one of his quotes is "my heart is with you tell the end"...it's shallow though when you meet him. It is about if "he feels you" energically and so a lot of effort is put into keeping him"feeling you" being uber devoted, and if you are crushed then your too attached to him, to your mind.

I know for a fact he demeans, talks behinds people's backs, shouts and that people fear him. I know because he has said he was shocked to learn people fear him. He either lacks a tremendous amount of insight or he is extremely manipulative or both.

He doesn't want anyone to see other teachers. It's a form of betrayal and if he find out "he doesn't feel you" anymore. I know of women who cut off there hair at his feet to help him feel them. And he let them.

I know Krishnibia is his pit bull. I know people objected to his picture being placed in the area that has all the dead sages in it and she was furious. "Mooji is your Master" and she went at night in ceremony to put another one up. I know Mooji oked this because nothing is done that he doesn't want. You don't speak at meals because he doesn't want you too. You don't speak about anything to do with what your life is in private because he doesn't want you too. It's highly controlling. If he catches wind that you are having "Satsang" with another because you think you know something, you will be called on it. He doesn't want anyone to have a true spiritual experience is very true. I know 6 people who had them, spoke about them and were expelled from his group and also those who teach under him. One transcribed an entire book for him and tossed out. She can't ever go back and was told not to attend meetings with him with the new group she is at meets with him.

Where is the freedom in this?

It's taken me quite a while to see through the illusion of Moo as God. In a sense he is because we all are, nature is, animals are, the whole of creation is. It was confusing how exclusive people felt toward Moo. But I get it. He was abandoned by his mother, his father died. He was left to grow up on his own with an uncle. He was a popular kid in high school. And people like him because he's "cool". They want the show. The want to be in a movement they feel is going to save them. They want to feel this love he exudes in retreat and on videos. I did. But it's got a flip side. And because he doesn't acknowledge his humanity, his diabetes, his health, his past that influences his craving for love. Well we can't either.

I've gotten free of him. But I went there thinking he was God. Krishnibai reinforced to me how great it was I thought that because most people only see him as a wise person. Those where her words. But Krishnibai we are all god. And god is on this thread saying this isn't right, because that what is seen and it is also true.

So they want an experience. I did. Moo offers it. I felt out of extreme compassion but then I saw many things that were not at all compassionate and yes that was my mind and my common sense and my own compassion at play and I don't have to give any of that up for Frredom, or Truth because they are apart of it.

I really am grateful to those who were in Sahaja and are giving their stories. Not a one didn't ring true. Maybe the sexual stuff and the intention to defraud and brainwash seem a bit conspiracy theory but hey, they could also be true as far as I can tell and why because Moo is transparent. There is so much fear there, but not anything people would see if they went to retreat. If he feels you and you go to stay and you keep your evaluation as well you will see it too.

I left and everyone was surprised, they said you belong here, you love Moo so much. I did. And I do, but not from weakness anymore. But because I've seen thru him. He's messed up as much as he's not. He tells people "it would be better that you wet yourself, then miss this teaching" because he gets annoyed they have to use the toilets. He says he is up there with diabetes and he doesn't leave the stage and diabetes makes you need to use the toilet. Message I'm a martry, be one too. I care more for you then you do. You have to want freedom as much as I want it for you. Sorry Moo, God has to pee.

People leave the Satsang hall and he says "if I was your Master you would not leave before I leave the stage" that's a spiritual ego. No one says to him Moo "that's just your mind".

I know many people there and they are no honest with him. Why? Because they confide in me how much they hate the naming ceremonies that go on forever, how they want to leave but have to find a way to do it not to anger, yes to not loose friends and also not to lose their standing, they have learned how to manipulat him. But time and again, you see people who are honest get kicked out. Delete, next.

I was there when a girl was sharing with Moo that her parents felt she was in a cult and she was stuck because she loved him but didn't want to hurt them. He said "don't give up your chance for freedom for anyone" and the line he uses is to say we are a sect, an insect.

Bottom line. It's just what was said if you are truly devoted to truth, you will see past it. You will see you are being taken for a ride. But you will also see you were "take-able" and it's not your fault. It's where you were. And yes I never thought I was signing up for gas lighting, group think gone wrong, mind control and yet I did because I made him an idol. My bad and yes also shitting on his part. He does know better. And yet that's it. So much pain for people is caused by him but people also get a lot of benefit. It's a ride and I would never ride it again, never. He makes me a bit sick actually. But man oh man did I adore him once upon a time in never never land.

The bubble pops. It's just a matter of time. And when it does, if you are a true devotee to truth itself, you are fine and wiser for it.

But this is really helpful and I wish everyone, Moo fans and Moo nonfans....all the best. I have been both.



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Posted by: PapajisaysNO ()
Date: January 31, 2019 01:17AM


Finally,

I think an example of my perception of his lack of compassion might help. I saw many, many instances of it. But as a fan you are led to believe that everything he says is perfect somehow.

Example,

A woman wrote in to ask Moo to stop haunting her, she sees him everywhere, she needs him to let her go, she has nightmares, etc.

Moo said "I'm glad this got in here so you can see the type of mentally ill people I have to deal with" then

He said, who is this? He looked at the email address and read her entire full name.

This was also put out on video.

Now tell me. If a person actually feels this way, if they have mental health issues, how is his response compassionate? Her anonymity taken. He didn't address her issue. He made it about him. "Poor me"

For all I know she killed herself from that.

No this is wrong, folks. Perhaps, Deadly wrong.



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Posted by: PapajisaysNO ()
Date: February 01, 2019 08:33AM


He’s got everyone double bound

1. If you are anonymous you are a liar and a coward.
2. If you tell him to his face he kicks you out.
3. If you say anything online, his team deletes it if they can. Or trolls it if they can’t.

Perfect way to keep control.

I remember at one Zmar retreat a guy was frustrated that Moo just didn’t wake us all up. He wrote a passionate letter but didn’t sign it. Moo asked whoever it was to come forward, he wanted to meet the person who could write such a letter.

It took awhile but the author did step up. Moo ridiculed the hell out of him. Called him annonyMOUSE over and again...to the crowds delight and laughter.

Nice trick, Moo.
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Posted by: Unknownlove ()
Date: February 16, 2019 10:08PM

I have been following this thread for a while and really contemplating everything said here and how it relates to my own experience with Mooji or Guruji as he is called in Sahaja. I have always had this weird feeling about him but I just figured with him being a powerful guru and all his energy is just a bit different so ignored all the signs for the most part. One thing that I did not see mentioned here which was something that always bothered me was the fact that if you follow his teachings long enough you start to experience memory loss. Mooji would mention that it was a sign of awakening but now I feel that it is a sign of his brainwashing taking effect.Many people at sahaja have loss their short term memory, and this has always bothered me. Also he talks alot about extraterrestrials which i found to be quite strange. Once he said that Aliens were living amongst us but our government was too afraid to tell us due to them being embarrassed and that soon they wouldn't be able to hide it. The film team made sure that type of talk never got out.

From seeing and hearing everything the past few days it has been a whirlwind of emotions. I didn't see the sexual acts first hand but I strongly belive the accusations to be true, as seeing how concerned he is with who is dating who and the chatter around sahaja. I always felt like he wanted all the women for himself and despised men who he saw as sexual competition. I know that is a strong thing to say but he always gave me that vibe. He kicked out a few men who were having sexual relationships there.

Im really glad I found this thread.
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Posted by: 2cents ()
Date: February 28, 2019 10:52PM

I’ve been to Moo’s last 2 Rishikesh seasons, delighted to be a part of such a monumental, bordering on Hollywood, spiritual experience with like-minded beings - you know the drill. A week before coming to Rishikesh 3 weeks back, a friend mentioned Moo has some allegations surfacing. So I started researching and found this forum and truly everything came into focus that I had been suppressing/denying/ignoring/rationalizing around the ‘citadel’ that is Mooji. This was pure Grace! With all my heart, thank you to all who are contributing your experiences because this has been a major wake-up call, and good to know I’m not the crazy one!

I see that I have been experiencing Cognitive Dissonance: “Cognitive dissonance refers to a situation involving conflicting attitudes, beliefs or behaviors. This produces a feeling of mental discomfort leading to an alteration in one of the attitudes, beliefs or behaviors to reduce the discomfort and restore balance.” (Google)
Here are my ‘conflicting’ observances that I ignored:
1. I noticed a few years ago at Monte Sahaja, a ‘guru aarti’ was composed – also blending Papaji and Ramana, but mostly ‘Mooji Baba’. First reaction was , oh no, here we go – making Tony Moo ‘guru Moo’. Then calling him Guruji, Bhagavan, Master, Beloved Father, etc..
2. Then the touching and kissing the feet, then last year the sangha started walking backward when leaving the stage rather than turning their back to Mooji (old tradition in respect for holy people) – so gradually this full-blown guru trip has infested the entire scene. The worst part is that Mooji doesn’t stop or seem to object to any of it -but rather seems to expect it and enjoy it all.
3. Then, walking through the crowd displaying Jesus-like behaviors of putting his hand on people’s heads as if healing, wiping tears away, giving special attention to the Indian elders as if to assure them ‘he’ is equal to all the other ‘masters’ they might have known.
4. Also the fact that Mooji seems to pride himself on not having done any real study of ancient spiritual texts that foster authenticity and authority. Rather, he regularly reads some verses from Avadhut Gita to prove his teaching is legitimate – but it is quite obviously flawed because no one seems to be getting anywhere – in fact, there seems to be people breaking down and falling apart in despair from always returning to their human-ness. Moo seems to infer that if he never did any disciplined study or put forth ‘effort’, we needn’t either – discouraging true investigation and critical analysis. This definitely keeps the game going – lost people getting nowhere always will need directions – Moo.

Point is: all this was noticed (cognitive) and because I drank the Koolaid and felt I was getting the ‘real deal’ of a warm and fuzzy,simple effortless awakening to Self – I rationalized these disturbing things away in the name of ‘the means justify the end’ kind of thing (dissonance). Someone on the forum wrote about the body and mind should ultimately work together in harmony – well, I know my body always tells me ‘what’s for me’ and ‘what’s not’ – and it did – but I ignored it = Cognitive Dissonance. The most important part of this (for me) is not having anger towards Moo or the sheeple around him, but frustration, a sense of self-betrayal, sadness and disappointment within myself for ignoring intuition, knowing in my heart something was seriously ‘off ‘ and not listening because the ‘payoff’ of awakening and sense of belonging were greater. OMG, over it!!

I knew this was going to be a strange journey with all that has been revealed – and I sit now in my Rishikesh hotel– catching a few satsangs just to see what’s happening and I have to say – I was shocked to see Moo’s parents photos on the dais – this smells of serious and manipulative damage control -again, weird and disturbing. As I listen now, I see right through Mooji’s tactics, his endless tricks and turns to bring the person around to some acceptance that they are not ‘real’ – as they go into a somnambulistic trance - probably from being kept standing at the mike for an hour and a half!! I notice how he’s always looking for the ‘hook’ to start the endless dialog into the repetitive analogies, stories, quotes. Self-elevating statements like ‘ I want to eat someone today’, or ‘ Is there a Buddha here today’ only speak to Moo’s sense of superiority – and yet – when a truly sincere experiencer of the Self is at the microphone, he seems to dismiss them, or somehow finds his ‘hook’ and it’s off the races with endless indulgent verbiage.
Enough - you guys have said it all really – just adding my ‘take’.
I so appreciate the solid information you all are offering, and informative links to help understand this ‘drink the Kool-Aid” Tony Moo phenomenon. Thank you each and all!

PS: just occurred to me that Moo is actually using the sangha to prove his own self-proclaimed attainment: if someone would fully awaken, it proves Moo is the enlightened sage he thinks he is. Yet ironically, or paradoxically - it seems he can't tolerate anyone really awakening. Hmmmmm.
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Posted by: StartingOver ()
Date: February 15, 2019 07:35PM


Here is a commment from Facebook from "Amma Tanya White"


Thank God Mahadevi Elayne Cohen Ashbey! I know this is difficult Sis. I myself, went back and forth on this despite things I observed particularly while doing seva on the medical team in India in 2016, that gave me pause and set off my internal gut alarm which had fiercely ringing for some years. But what did I do with it? I pushed it down by dismissing it as being my mind and identifying too much with being a 'person'. But I am grateful that Spirit has a way of always coming back around and not letting me remain unconscious for too long. So, as I was preparing for this year's Satsang and the same uneasy feeling arose within my heart, I decided to pay attention this time.And I am Sooooo glad I did. The confirmation of my doubts came in the form of the young woman devotee confiding in me. And when I looked in her tear-filled eyes and sensed her fear in sharing her story with me, because she was uncertain of whether she could fully trust me or not, I knew without a shadow of a doubt that she was telling the truth. For me, that was the nail in the coffin. And for those who say Mooji is allowed to have a sexual libido and be in a romantic relationship, I agree, yes he is. But that is not what this is. Mooji is having inappropriate sexual relations with young, beautiful, impressionable female devotees through the use of psychological coercion by telling them it is in service to the Guru to do these things and will help to quicken their awakening to the Divine truth of what they are. And that my friend has nothing to do with being in a relationship. That is an abuse of his power as a Spiritual Master, and is simply put. wrong.



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Date: February 15, 2019 07:45PM

Here is another comment from "Amma Tanya White"


"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it". Martin Luther King, Jr.

This is true on all levels. Today my world was rocked when I discovered that the Man I've called Guru, Mooji, for the past 8 years, is not at all the awakened Being I believed him to be.

I have never been a sheep herd mentality individual. It's simply not how I am wired. And I am truly grateful for that. I have always trusted Spirit's guidance although I haven't always been obedient to following it immediately, as was the case in my ignoring the blatant alarms that were firing off within me with regards to Mooji over the years.

I chose like so many of his devotees who trusted him with their whole heart, to ignore my gut instinct that something wasn't quite right.

And because I had yet to have my own personal experience with anything being off, it was easy for me to dismiss what many label as gossip and rumors.

That was until today.

When I directly heard someone who had experienced inappropriate relations with Mooji tell their story, I was disgusted and felt as if I wanted to vomit! My heart broke into a million pieces because the Man that I believed to be the real deal, turned out to be someone capable of manipulating and using women for his own sexual gratification, all under the guise of spirituality.

Simultaneously I was brimming with rage!! I mean I was seething inside!

How could I have been so gullible as to disregard all of the signals Spirit was sending me.

But here's the thing, when you have a void inside that you're trying to fill externally, you are more susceptible to falling for this type of cultist conditioning and brainwashing.

I realized that there was still a residual of the little girl who grew up in foster care and wanted to belong and have a family that was playing out, all be it under the altruistic role of being a spiritual seeker.

So, how could this happen ? Easily.

I am still grappling with how something that is meant for good has the potential to go so damn wrong!! Power and egoic stimulation is a seductive energy and can change a person and make them do things that perhaps even they themselves never imagined themselves capable of doing.

I will be praying for those who still believe in the image that Mooji portrays to hundreds of people around the world. It is for them that my heart breaks the most because they have bought the lie hook, line and sinker.

And to Mooji,I have this to say.....May God have mercy on your soul. You WILL ultimately reap what you have sown. Believe that!




from: Amma Tanya White's facebook page:

Mooji Update:

I am making this post public so that EVERYONE may view it.

Over the past several weeks I have been inundated with daily emails from both men and women who have shared both their gratitude for my speaking out as well as their own personal accounts of negative experiences they have had either at Sahaja, (Mooji's ashram) or with Mooji directly.

Initially, I attempted to respond to every email personally until it began to take a toll on me and my own process of grieving and dealing with the revelations that had come to light about the Man I once called my Guru.

So, I took a step back, shut down my page, (of my own volition by the way, not by Mooji, the Sahaja Sangha or FB; trust me I don't scare that easy and refuse to be silenced when it comes to speaking out against wrong doing) for some time before reappearing.

The emails continue to come on a daily basis, however, I no longer feel pressured to respond to each and every one of them as I did before. However, I do still respond to those which I feel called in my heart to do so.

Most recently, after having dealt with the initial, emotional avalanche of my own anger/rage, grief and profound disappointment that Mooji is not whom I thought him to be, I have been sitting with gaining clarity about what my role has been in revealing this information, what it is now and what it will be going forward.

I am fully aware that my video was an atomic bomb for many and has shaken many people to their core, myself included.

And while I do not regret for one second having spoken out via the video, I feel that it wouldn't be right to leave people impacted by this news, standing in the rubble of that announcement to fend for themselves, particularly, those of you who have emailed me telling me just how much this has impacted you.

Simultaneously, I am also aware that I must be mindful of my tendency to rescue and place my care taker/champion for the underdog hat on, sometimes to my own detriment.

So, I have gotten very clear about what is my fight and what is not and how I want serve in this situation going forward. It is important to me that I maintain healthy boundaries in this situation so that I don't find myself taking on and processing others trauma and grief vicariously, which with my being an empath is highly likely for me to do.

All of the above being said, here is what I've gleaned from the numerous emails I've received and continue to receive on a daily basis.

There are several distinct groups that most people fit into. There are those of you who have had your own personal experiences either with Mooji or Sahajah and the Sangha, but don't want to speak out for fear of retaliation from those associated with Mooji. Then there are those of you who know of the dysfunctional things that have been happening both at Sahaja and with Mooji because a friend has confided in you about their experiences and have thanked me for my courage in giving voice to it. And last but certainly not least there are those of you who feel that something should be done about this so that more harm is not done to others, and have expressed to me, in fact DEMANDED that the women in particular who have confided in me should come forward, to which I have responded and continue to say that is not a decision I can make for them. Everybody is in their process with this and has the right to determine what's best for themselves and how and IF they want to be vocal about it as I have chosen to do.

For those who feel that this news has rocked their world and they too have had an negative experience with Mooji and feel that you would like to communicate with others who like yourself have had similar experiences, I would like to put you all in contact with one another and allow you to support each other throughout your grieving/healing process. As I said to one of the women who confided in me, I can not begin to imagine what it has been like to hold this experience bottled up inside in secret for so many years with no-one to talk to. Therefore, I feel it would be highly beneficial and healing for you all to lean on and support one another. IF you feel that is what you're wanting to do, please email your personal email address and name and I will put you all in immediate contact with one another.

With regards to taking further legal action on this. I did not personally have a sexually inappropriate experience with Mooji. Therefore, that particular battle is not mine to continue to fight. I did my part by speaking out via my video when I discovered this was happening behind the scenes. However, if there are those of you who DO want to speak out and pursue legal action based on your own experiences, I will support you in whatever way I can 150%!! I just can't be the ring leader on that front. You must stand in your power, speak your truth and know that you are not standing alone. But it must be YOUR fight and YOUR decision to do so. I can not do that for you.

In conclusion, I want to say this. Silence and secrecy kills and allows dysfunction and abuse to go unchecked which allows it to fester and proliferate.

At times when reading some of the emails from those of you who have confided in me about your personal, negative experiences with Mooji or the Sangha in which you've ended by saying, but please don't mention my name or share this, I will admit I have felt extremely frustrated and angered by that stance. It is exactly that silence which has allowed Mooji to get away with this abuse of power for so long!

I know it can be scary to speak out. But I want to encourage you to dig deep and find the courage to do so because you will be helping countless people in ways that you can not even begin to imagine. And if you chose to speak out, please do so in a way that is productive, connected to your heart and in integrity.

When people go on a campaign of spewing toxic vitriol about people such as Mooji who abuse their position of power, adding fuel to a scandalous drama in an attempt to destroy and Mame, you do a grave disservice to the revelation of truth and the change that needs to unfold is hindered primarily because people won't take you seriously. They just chalk it up to people spreading rumors and gossip about the one in question. And often times as a result, victims remain in hiding and the abuse is allowed to continue.

So I say all of that to say, be clear, honest and hold the highest intention for good when and if you decide to come forward.

For myself, my intention has always been from the moment I posted the video exposing Mooji, to eradicate anything that is not in service to Light and uphold all that is. It has not been to destroy Mooji as some of those who have emailed me in support of him have suggested. In fact, I pray that Mooji himself finds the courage to get help, because clearly he needs it if he does not see that what he is doing particularly with some of his young, female devotees is wrong. Sometimes power has a way of deluding even the one in the position of power, which could very well be the case with Mooji.

Furthermore, what makes this situation most dangerous is that Mooji does point to and speak high, spiritual truths, even though his behavior is not in alignment with the truths about which he speaks. This I feel is what makes it challenging for people to reconcile within their hearts and minds that what people are sharing about their experiences both with him and the Sangha is true. I know it was what was challenging for me. I kept saying, "But how could the one who has helped me so much through the teachings, also be the one who is capable of doing these things" ?!

Simply put, it's TOTALLY possible.

So, I pray for him as well as for his victims.

I hope this is helpful to those of you who have taken the time to read it. While I can not be your savior in this crisis, (because believe it or not, I do have a life outside of Mooji lol), I will do my part to help in the creation of avenues that support you.

I am still processing what this is meant to teach me and will be for some time I'm sure. I am particularly exploring what kept me brain-washed and blind for so many years. I know that there are those devotees who feel that I am being blinded and following darkness and the devil, (yes this has actually been said sigh)...by choosing to believe the victims. I assure you nothing could be furthest from the truth!

I am actually Waking up from the thick fog of psychological conditioning and hypnosis that I was under for so long! My prayer is that others will wake up too!

I am at peace with my decision to speak out and have not one smidgen of regret about doing so! NOT ONE!

I have always been wired to speak up against injustice and wrong doing. That has never and will never change! I am however, learning to establish healthy boundaries and to discern what is my cross to bear and what is not, as well how to recognize when the caretaker/rescuer within me has been activated. In those moments, I take a breath, step back, assess and ask vitally important questions such as , "Ok...what is my part to play in this situation and for how long" ?

At this point, I have determined that role to be one of support to those who need it by connecting you with one another. And for those who desire to speak out about your own personal experiences up to and including legal action if you choose to pursue that route, I will be your unyielding, unwavering cheerleader and will direct you to the people and resources that will aid you in doing so.

Blessings to each of us as we continue to heal from this.

Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti
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Re: Mooji cult: summary, ressources and reports from people who left the cult

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REPORT OF A SUICIDE IN A MOOJI SANGHA IN 2017

Posted by: Chrissy ()
Date: May 13, 2019 10:50PM

Hi there, I thought I should share with you some info, since I am researching the mooji "cult" myself and questioning things.
In 2016 I first heard of Mooji and started watching his videos. I joined an official Sangha in Johannesburg (South Africa).

I never met him personally, and although I will admit I was initially taken in by him, I got an unsatisfactory response from him in one of my letters and started losing interest him when I noticed how impatient and unkind he would be to other people in his videos (in a passive way). The "worshipping" made me uncomfortable too but I was told it was just my mind... Most of us were on a tight budget, but we were not deserving of him coming to visit us here as we were considered too small. There was a kind of lottery where you could get a free ticket to see Mooji. I'm glad I never got it.

There was a suicide in our Sangha in 2017, here in South Africa, by one of its dedicated members.
I thought I should mention this, since I've only seen two suicides mentioned here (one in India and one at the Ashram).
So yes, it has been kept very low key.
As a result our Sangha was closed.
We received no response or message from Mooji when this happened, which I think would have been the right thing to do, from a loving and accountable guru. Instead, the group of us were abandoned as it were. The leader of our Sangha withdrew completely.

A couple of teacher's I've come across seem to have this careless approach about their followers / students. They seem to think it's okay to just up and leave you when it suits them. This is clearly the case here and I think it's why the suicide happened here in the first place. There was very little support to facilitate this teaching of Mooji's, if it was genuine in the first place.

When I finally lost interest in Mooji (before I even considered that it was maybe a cult), I was watching one of his videos and I realised he was doing exactly what he was telling all of us NOT to do: he was operating and acting and thinking from his mind. And I realised, with everything else (the fact that he is so reprimanding, and that we in Africa are not deserving of him), that he is a hypocrite and something is definitely off about him.

I have fortunately had the state of mind to see this. But that's the whole problem with Mooji though, he is dismissive of the mind, in a negative and non-loving way. It's a very clever and misleading manipulation. But even I still feel guilty saying that, which shows even the effect it has had on me.
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