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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

September 14, 2019, 3:32 pm
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I was just checking out the CEI facebook page. Scrolling down, I came upon this podcast with Jeff Schechtman interviewing cult expert Dr. Janja Lalich:

[whowhatwhy.org]

It's very interesting and informative.

I like what he brought up about the types of people who get involved in cults:


Jeff Schechtman:
With respect to the risks. One of the things you talk about is that the cult isn’t limited to people that are just clueless. That sometimes the best and the brightest can become part of cults.

Janja Lalich:
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Cults want people who can perform for them, right? They want people who can run their businesses, who can bring in money, who have good connections, who can basically keep the thing going. The cult leaders are usually pretty lazy and they don’t do very much. So it’s really their lieutenants and all the people around them who do everything. So if… cults don’t want lazy people, they don’t want sick people, but … They’re not there to take care of you. You’re there to take care of the leader.

When I think about my time with Swartz, that's just how he was--lazy. He had everyone around him working for him, to make money, and give him what he wanted.

Currently, Swartz puts forward the image that he is a legitimate spiritual teacher. He lies about his history and experience--credentials. It appears he has some very intelligent (tho duped) people working for him...doing all the work for him.

I hope people who are drawn to Swartz, or who are deep in it, will be able to see what he's doing here.

Ask the questions...is this group what I signed up for in the beginning? Who is really benefiting here?
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Re: James Swartz--my original written account

September 14, 2019, 4:09 pm
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Thank you Traveller99 for posting screenshots of emails sent to you by Swartz.

What Swartz was doing there, is he was trying to send a threatening message to me through you. Emails to you was the only way he could communicate to me.

Swartz attempted to frighten me by exposing "sordid details" of my life to my current family and friends. He wanted to scare me into shutting up.

So, he admitted he did in fact know me.

A critical reader should ask, what sordid details would a grown man of 40ish have about a girl aged 14-16 (the time that I knew him)?

When I was with Swartz he hypnotized, drugged, and abused me. He had me feel that it was my fault...my karma.

Now he threatens to expose some sleazy details...hmmmm...who was in charge then?

Swartz cannot scare me into shutting up.

He had a monumental negative effect in my life...my life course was literally changed by his abuse...

I'm taking back my life now.

I will not be silent.
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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

September 14, 2019, 5:40 pm
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I'm listening to another podcast by Jeff Schechtman:

[whowhatwhy.org]

This one is about Jeffrey Epstein and child trafficking.

I'm thinking about some of the topics brought up in this podcast...and I'm realizing I was being prepared by Swartz to be trafficked.

He groomed me, abused me (traumatized me), then took me across state lines, then introduced me into the sex entertainment industry by having me do strip tease (I was 16 years old), and when we moved to his cabin in Montana...he was preparing me to work for him.

I escaped getting pushed out as a prostitute and entertainer. Although I was sexually and spiritually assaulted by Swartz, I escaped further damage. I am so grateful for this.

At the very least, Swartz could be convicted of kidnapping with the intent to traffic an underaged minor.
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Re: James Swartz—What is the Truth?

September 14, 2019, 6:15 pm
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James Swartz in a Hollywood Movie!!??
With a Heather-like Victim and, huh?, Chuckie!
Really?? Or...



When I watched the clip linked to below, I couldn't believe it. I exclaimed out loud, "Oh, my God! It's Swartz and Heather in a movie, except with Chuckie!"

To me, this excerpt from the horror movie shows the pathology of Swartz, as he has proved himself to be in all of his dealings with me (let alone with Heather), almost exactly. In this way, this short clip is "perfect" for this Message Board topic, I think.

When I brought this clip to her attention, Heather did not want to say 'yes' or 'no' to me posting this thing. (She did mention that she was curious what decision the young woman would make.) However, to repeat, I consider that this clip has too much of the real Swartz,, even though in a fictional version, to resist. As compared to the actual James Swartz, though, the Chuckie movie's hypnotist abuser is the reverse of James, in being handsome. The movie version is about the same in seeming intelligence, less devious, and just as evil. Or so I see it. How about you?

Here's the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCo3QW-S310

What do you think? Is that (fictional, likely inadvertent) version of Swartz too watered down?

The real version of James Swartz is much older, meaner, and is ugly, but except for that, did that rapist hypnotist in the movie get it about right?

And though I've never seen the movies, I understand that Chuckie is a quite horrible villain. How interesting that, by my perspective, I'll root for the killer puppet over the Swartz-clone any time. Why? As I've said repeatedly in many posts, at least Chuckie seems not to be a hypocrite. He's a twisted murderer, in his own words. I'll take that over a drugging, rapacious, and fake "Spiritual Teacher" spouting lies any time.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 12:57 am
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Sahara71 I dont' have the link to the 2018 financial files of the Mooji Organisation because it is not published yet

The information I found is in this link [beta.companieshouse.gov.uk]

The last annual report and financial statements ends 31/12/2017 but if you click in filling history you find 3 new appointments "director's details changed" and 10/12/2018 (9 months ago) there is a new director Ms Fatoumata Kamissoko Kanoute, she lives in England but her nationality is French. I suspect that they need a person who has the nationality of a country of the European Union, because of next Brexit, but it's only a suspicion. As a curiosity it seems that this person is the wife of the famous soccer player Frederic Kanoute, currently retired, but who played in the English West Ham United, a team that would later change for Tottenham Hotspur.So it is confirmed that M. has good contacts.

Sahara71 the interesting discrepancy in money in the year 2017,could be because part of the money went to the Associação Mooji Sangha in Portugal. But it's just a feeling because I don't have data to prove it. Keep in mind that on October, UK leaves the European Union and will affect them directly. That is why it is possible that they change the Charity/Foundation in England for the Association in Portugal and all the money will be in Portugal.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 3:07 am
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The Association ASSOCIAÇÃO MOOJI SANGHA in Portugal is registered as a:
"Associações Humanitárias, De Entreajuda, Acção Social" that means in English association of humanitarian, mutual aid and social action.
I don't know if it has the same financial controls as an English charity.
In this link you can see more information
[www.hoovers.com]
I imagine that as a humanitarian organization their accounts are public and are audited annually, but I have searched and just as in the UK they are easily found in Portugal I could not find them.
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Re: Mooji cult: summary, ressources and reports from people who left the cult

September 15, 2019, 4:43 am
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Following the money trail: 3 postings







Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Maria Lena ()
Date: September 12, 2019 03:12AM

For a long time I was following Mooji. Fortunately I was never in Sahaja. My contact with him was in silent retreats in Zmar, online and one in Lisbon. I suspected something was happening, when one day after seeing a Satsang online in Rishikesh, this 2019, the most faithful people in my sangha suggested making a video where everyone would say how good it had been to them to meet Mooji. They did not explain why they wanted to make the video and I started to suspect. So I decided to search the internet for what was happening. I found all the information and I decided to write them. I copy the messages. The most important message who came from one of the team is missing, I coudn't find it. But the others are complete. I hope you understand my English and wish it serves to people here.

14/3/2019
Good Morning

Sorry for my English because it is not my mother tongue. Wish you understand my mail.

I have needed some time to digest the disgust I had when reading Be Scofield's story about Mooji, time I've spent looking for more information on the subject to be objective. Information that I have found and from which I put the links below.

From 2013 I trusted Mooji, some things seemed strange to me, like kissing the feet, putting his shoes, his bodyguards, the songs praising him, this Mooji Ki Jai!, but I tried to understand his explanations: like it is normal to kiss feet in India, the guards are to protect him, the adoration shown by the devotees it is normal, it is also normal to give everything to the Guru until the last cell of the body.

So, I still let myself be hypnotized by his words and I had some openings of heart, that now I can see they were in my imagination. From 2013 I considered him my teacher and therefore I contributed economically in what I could: Satsangs, online retreats and money for Sahaja,

That's why I feel cheated because the Mooji that I knew, on stage, is not the one behind. He has light and shadow as we all have and he is not awake, nor is he recognized disciple of Ramana or Papaji.

My feeling is that I bought something in poor condition, like when you buy from Amazon and the product does not work out well. In this case worse because it sells something that is very intimate, sells awakening and plays with your heart, love and affection.

So, I would like to get my money back, not from the meals or the stay in Zmar, but from the presumed teachings in Satsang. You can find all my invoices in my Cleeng account.

I also ask you please to unsubscribe my mail in your listings.

Attentively

18/3/2019
Dear

I hope you are well and thank you for connecting with us.

Most of our team are currently travelling back from Rishikesh and once they are back, I will get back to you in regards to your request.

In the meantime, I have unsubscribed you from our email mailing list.

Thank you for your patience and I will be in touch again soon.

With love,
MOOJI DANA TEAM
Donate at Mooji.org/donate
Registered Charity No: 1144016
Registered in England and Wales




After that mail I received another e mail questioning me, e mail that I can’t find now. So, I can’t copy. But I copy my answer.

28/3/2019
Dear …
Thanks for your long answer.

As you can deduce, not only have I read the Be Scofield article, I have been reviewing each of the entries in the Cult Education Forum, 180 at the moment.

I do not have the feeling that they are unsubstantiated and slanderous. You can read them quietly because there are many. At this moment 108 pages.

I also trust the criteria of Rick Archer of the Buddha at the Gas Pump program that has withdrawn interviews with Mooji and Massaro.

I also know of the threats of the attorneys to Henry Jolicoeur to have his video questions removed from the internet. All that is published in the Forum. I also wonder why someone enlightened has to hire lawyers to take legal action. I cannot imagine Jesus hiring anyone.

I would like to finish that I also have deep pain in my heart for all those who have suffered being close to Mooji, specially his ex-wife Radha, with all my respect for those, as you, who are living there for many years.

I still wish to be unsubscribed from everything. And yes, I would appreciate if I could have part of my money refunded, it would be good for me energetically.

I feel that I do not want to collaborate in maintaining specialized law firms in the internet.

And with this e mail I end up with our contact, I would like from now on if you contact will be only about the issue of the return of part of my money. If you cannot, you do not even need to write to me.

Wish you understand my English, it is done by Google Translator.

Wishing you all the best.

1/4/2019
Dear,

Following your request. A refund will be made for your donations, the details of these donations are detailed below:

21st Feb, 2015 - €30
2nd March, 2015 - €30
24th Feb, 2017 - £25 - ID: 32U84057D7761354D
18th Mar, 2017 - £25 - ID: 8L1037680S601524L
21st Nov, 2017 - £20 - ID: 5XE694408V5209055
3rd Jun, 2018 - €25 - ID: 9FF69323HN8179159

In loving service,

MOOJI DANA TEAM

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Money new
Posted by: Maria Lena ()
Date: September 14, 2019 05:21PM


I copy here, only for general information, the money I give to Cleeng the platform for live TV that M. uses for his online satsangs and Sahaja Express.

Zmar may 2015 Online Silent Retreat 186,33 €
Sahaja Express monthly subscription 29,06 € July 2015
Monte Sahaja retreat July 28 190,07 €
Zmar September 2015 online 183,90 €
London online November 2015 129,61 €
2016 Zmar online May 170,59 €
First Monte Sahaja online 2016 117,77 €
Second Monte Sahaja online 2016 117,77 €
Zmar online September 2016 113,99 €
Lisbon online April 2017 77,77 €
Zmar 2017 May online 117,28 €
Monte Sahaja online July 2017 123,12 €
Monte Sahaja online August 2017 122,32 €
2017 Susc Sahaja Express Dec 23,30 €
2018 Susc Sahaja Expres January 23,50 €
August 2018 Netherlands online 91,67 €
June 2018 Monte Sahaja online 126,50 €


I was also looking at the charity and I could see that they have an auditor from Kingston Smith LLP. The person who did in 28/9/2018 was Mahmood Ramji. It was nominated for English Asian Business Award.
I don't know if it's possible to ask for another audit.

There is also one thing to keep in mind that it is Brexit, the birth of the Association in Portugal I think goes along that line, as the Foundation will become extra community in October. I don't know if in Portugal the control of the Charities are as exhaustive as in Britain.

Thank you for your contributions, they have opened my eyes and I would like that open the eyes to many more. And thanks for removing the trolls.

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Re: Mooji a cult?
Posted by: Sahara71 ()
Date: September 15, 2019 05:31AM



Maria Lena,

Sadly, it seems like you spent 1,921.25 euros on Satsung over 3 years, which is a of of money by anyone's standards.

I think Mooji has around 200,000 followers worldwide (possibly a few less- thanks to this forum) so even if only, say, 1.5% of them are spending up on online Satsung rather then watching the free material-

That's 3,000 followers multiplied by 1,921.25 euros (if Maria Lena is an average spender - which is difficult to say) = 5,763,750 euros over three years!

That's over 5 million euros! (tax free, don't forget) That is before donations and the money raised by selling the pretty pictures of Mooji's feet in the gift-shop and online. Interesting.

Maria Lena, can you please post a link to the 2018 financial files of the Mooji Organisation?
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 4:49 am
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Thank you Maria Lena, Sahara and John.


ASSOCIAÇÃO MOOJI SANGHA in Portugal should be found out more about it, especially the official files with numbers. Also where people can make an offical complaint about this organization. Portugal is a small country, complaints might be heard more easy then in UK.
I was not at all aware about what is going on in EU. This development could be bad for Moo.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 5:14 am
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It is still unclear where Sahaja express ( a big cash cow) and online retreat income goes to. Is it part of Mooji Media Ltd, which then donates to the UK foundation? Can the oficial numbers of Mooji Media Ltd be found?
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 6:24 am
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 7:21 am
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Here's another small piece of info - cannot vouch for authenticity.

ltd]https://www.duedil.com/company/gb/07086049/mooji-foundation-ltd[/url]
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 7:34 am
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Years past, UK football hooligans organized into clubs.

Some of these clubs developed links to organized crime and were known as 'firms.'

Dunno if any of this is still going on.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 7:37 am
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the pasted url in last post seemed not to work so here it is to copy and paste without markings:

[www.duedil.com]
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 10:12 am
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September 15, 2019, 10:15 am
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2cents, thank you for this link, in "About" it says that Mooji foundation has currently 5-9 employees.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 10:50 am
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I have had a look at the links above and checked with my contacts in Sahaja and the first two people mentioned here: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07081024/officers
do live in Sahaja or the attached town.

@Maria Lena: the link that you posted is not longer working ( [www.hoovers.com]ção_mooji_sangha.17244506437caa92.html#contact-anchor )

SURELY authorities in UK if warned WOULD get an interest and a closer look to learn more about this dude from Brixton and all the COMPANIES he has built.

The Charity commission as well as Tax Office and all, could be advised to do a check not only on Mooji Foundation, Buddleya Media, Mooji Media Ltd and off course the very interesting Portoguese ASSOCIASSAO MOOJI SANGHA, BUT also there could be some tax and financial check done on each person that is named in these companies - each and everyone of them should be checked deeply. I am more than sure that loads of smelly stuff would be unveiled. and that the people will start 'singing' to save their back-side.

I am waiting to know more insight from the inner circles as Mr Moo these days has to be very careful to whom he shares info from his inner circle.

Only a matter of time tony not-so-young from Brixton;)

As far as the paying-indoctrination machine is concerned, Sahaja Express, perhaps there is a way to reverse-engineer and find out how much money is made with this cash cow. Maybe looking into the company/s, that provide the platform for the service as someone was mentioning earlier. I have heard that the figure can be as high as 50,000+ pounds per month with the subscription, not including the online retreats which again makes tens of thousands on their own when they happen. So we are looking at millions here as well..

Oh. I was told that silly-nilly Mr Moo has at some point showed a list of DONORS to a lot of people and there might be even some videos about it - without details of donors not figures. However, apparently the names were blacked out but not the amounts. There were people giving over 300K sterling per year... this info is not a joke and I have double checked it. I was told that there were several donors giving 100,000 or more as well. So, there is stupid amount of money coming from many thousands of hypnotised small fishes as well as BIG FISHES giving him additional millions. Amazing, he is properly milking it.

The people around this short and fat man, top manipulator, cannot wait until he pass, so they can suck the wealth.. indeed good to investigate on the current PEOPLE very close to M. ..obviously using their LEGAL NAMES found online under Mooji Media, Foundation, Associassao etc..


..follow the money trail..a lot of money and a lot of trails..
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 11:05 am
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Sources of Moo income:

1. Retreats ( participants and team members)
2. Retreat online participation
3. Donations (online and cash)
4. Shop (Books, malas, CD, pictures)
5. Sahaja Express subscription
6. People paying for housing and food in MS
7. Visitors in MS paying for food
8. Cafe in MS
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 11:12 am
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@Ananas

9. House rental
10. Businesses?

I would not be surprised if he has houses he rents and businesses he has invested on in the nearby town and beyond. Who was it that mentioned that the Mayor of the small town got corrupted and allowed M. to buy properties and closed both eyes for the illegality of the buildings there? someone in one of the many pages here mentioned this a while back.

Another person that should receive a proper check is the MAYOR of the little town attached to Sahaja...I am sure his life got more comfy since M. is there.. ;)

Again, so many trails..no chance they can cover all, not one little skimpy chance!

Only a matter of time..
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 11:35 am
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In MS live about 150 people (number might have increased) and 80-100 are longterm = they have given up their home, job and family to live with M. They work 10+ hours per day, have no other source of income, they get housing and food and in some cases a small pocket money. They do not get health insurance or any other incurance.

They try to hide the huts the devotees live in (trees and other greenery), the huts are illegal and these 80-100 people (maybe even more by now) are not offically employed by the foundation.
This can easily be checked out by UK or Portugal officals, someone really only has to show up there without warning.

So the rest of 50 people are karma yogis, who stay for 1-3 months. These people do not get money, but in most cases have to work AND pay for housing and food. Only if M has invited them, they can stay for free.


It is illegal in Portugal to work and not get payment
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Re: Mooji a cult?

September 15, 2019, 11:37 am
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@John Dollop, this is the correct link:
[www.hoovers.com]
In the official web they say: "The charity also supports the many online channels" so it’s weird that Mooji Media is another company.
Interesting information in [www.globalgiving.org]
In Zmar April 2018 824 participants and 900 online
June Monte Sahaja 2018 360 participants and online 1100
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