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Re: How to trap females --get them pregnant on God's orders

April 21, 2016, 6:08 am
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A lot of wealth is tied up in Butler's empire. What if he becomes dotty and incapacitated?

What if his wife becomes bored with him?

What if adult children get impatient - or they date someone ambitious
who prods them to become impatient?
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 21, 2016, 7:56 am
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I must say that I agree with a lot of what is said in this video .

[www.youtube.com]

I ayahuwaska cannot give you the ultimate enlightenment
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 21, 2016, 9:00 am
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A lot of wealth is tied up in Butler's empire. What if he becomes dotty and incapacitated?..HE AS AS A CIRCLE OF VERY CLOSE DISCIPLES ...
BRAINWASH TO THE MAX ...AS MIKE GABBARD POSSIBLY NO 2 IN THE CULT
THESE PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THEIR ULTIMATE SALVATION IS TIDE UP WITH BUTLER THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF HIM TILL HIS LAST BREATH.

What if his wife becomes bored with him?
WAI LANA IS ALSO HIS DISCIPLE ..ALONG WITH BEING A WIFE
SHE POSSIBLY SEE HER OWN ULTIMATE SALVATION IN SERVING BUTLER TO THE END
SHE IS PROBABLY THE MOST BRAINWASH FOLLOWER OF BUTLER
I DO NOT SEE HER GOING ANYWHERE .....SHE MADE A LOT OF MONEY BEING THE WIFE OF BUTLER ....AND IF HE AS A WILL SHE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAIN RECIPIENT OF HIS
FORTUNE....SHE IS GETTING OLD NOW WHERE COULD SHE GO WHEN HER WHOLE LIFE AND MONEY IS DIRECTLY TIDE UP TO BUTLER

What if adult children get impatient - or they date someone ambitious
who prods them to become impatient?
WHOHEVER THEY MIGHT BE DATING WILL HAVE TO BE INITIATED BY BUTLER (AND THEREFORE BRAINWASH )...OR THEY WILL HAVE NO ACCESS TO BUTLER INNER CIRCLE .
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 21, 2016, 10:58 am
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As was previously stated - we have much work to do.

Tulsi must be exposed, Butler must be stopped.
Wai Lana will fall by the wayside- she is nothing without Butler;
her cowardly son is no better.

It is to be hoped that Butler is the tree, trunk and root of the
terrible blight known as Science of Identity.
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 21, 2016, 1:11 pm
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Trinity has the website back up [ayahuascahealings.com] Main focus in promoting upcoming events in Peru.

Although he also features video testimonials from people who attended the Washington events. In my opinion, these people were exploited for profit.

The website still lists the same team members. I don't know if they are in Peru with him.

Dylan Guss, the 23 year old logistics guy, says he is in Peru.

I've watched some of Trinity's video. Looks like he is trying for a slightly calmer style. Trinity is still all about Trinity. His visions, his process, his story.

He states that the shamans he is working with can heal -anything-.

Trinity preaches that mind is bad and heart is good. He refers everything back to himself. Since we are all supposedly One, he doesn't listen to any criticism, since, according to him, criticism is just noise caused by his own inner process. Or something.

Beliefs are one thing, he can have those beliefs. Behavior is another matter, his behavior displays many red flags of warning.
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Re: Hare Krishna sects not related to Chris Butler/SOI

April 21, 2016, 3:52 pm
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Thx Dharmabum—
Yeah, it's a plague of sorts. These cults form a tight bubble around the person and within that bubble things start to fester. I've seen it. it's not a sustainable existence. The sages and thinkers of the past did not intend on creating an "absolutism" in their theories and ideas. It was always to be understood as a work in progress (existence is not fixed and static). We live in a society that has become lazy on the thinking front. We like to be spoon fed prescriptions and concepts as so called solutions and concrete answers. Often times religions attach science and logic as limited and unable to offer all answers. That's never been the attempt of science and philosophy. The idea is to seek truth and sound, logical, and rational explanations and form theories and ideas based on available evidence and deduction. The danger in the cults is that they offer this as the basis for convincing people to join, and then once you are fully on board with the "basics" (you're not the body etc), they start to feed you a steady diet of irrational concepts and myths and skewed belief systems. Before you know it, you are shaved up, wearing saffron and chanting like a robot to some guru and god and you have little to no conception of the implication at hand. Of course thesis not the experience for everyone and many people find a perfect balance and application of the philosophies. But you have to make some pretty large mental leaps on the way to that place. I was never able to wrap my head fully around it all. Where one rational thought started, 100 irrational ideas sprang forth. It was ridiculous. The justifications and explanations I was given were devoid of any critical thinking and awareness of what was being implied and suggested.
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Re: Hare Krishna sects not related to Chris Butler/SOI

April 21, 2016, 7:07 pm
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The internet is flushing the woowoos out of religious cults that got so used to getting a pass for being esoteric. Not anymore. You can choose to be irrational but you have to debate it openly now. Those days are gone when gurus can hide in ratholes and be unaccountable for all the woowoos they are propagating. People will call you out in the open. If you can't answer to inquiries, it is to your peril, you will be held accountable point by point, even by a twelve-year-old net savvy kid from the safety of his basement for all the world to see, read and help make an informed decision.

This CEI forum has been in existence for more than a decade and is doing exactly that, particularly to the Butler cult. The fact that not one of the thousands upon thousands Jagad Screwball has claimed adhere to his dogma could repute and debate openly and rationally practices in question, this "spiritual path" is discredited.

If you are a serious follower and sincere in pursuing a truly spiritual path, isn't it rational to think this over? Worshipping a former hippie who has amassed millions and millions of dollars by weaseling his way in then out of one of the biggest franchise in cult business, ISKCON, setting up his own brand and then suddenly become Howard Hughes, hiding in his tin-foiled, highly quarantined, air-filtered mansions in a one of the richest enclaves in Lanikai, spoon-fed and pampered like a big, fucking, spoiled baby, you owe it to your children to at least question your chosen path, otherwise, you become complicit in this obvious lies and crime.

Stopped being a victim, don't get trapped in that sticky honey. Instead of giving your hard-earned money to a charlatan, buy your kid something and tell your child how much you love him/her. That in itself is a spiritual path. Fly away to freedom.

Spiritual path need not be irrational. A spiritual path is as simple as just trying your best to be nice to others. Gurus and woowoos are entirely unnecessary.
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Mind is bad, heart is good -- except when hiring a CPA

April 21, 2016, 7:21 pm
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Trinity preaches that mind is bad and heart is good.

The ones who tell us mind is bad and heart is good use their own minds
to craft marketing strategies.

If wealthy enough, these 'heart is good mind is bad' types not only use their own minds - they hire other minds in addition to their own:

Real estate agents

Financial advisors

Accountants
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 21, 2016, 7:55 pm
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CONVERSATION I HAD TONIGNT on facebook

Henry Jolicoeur In the new video of Trinity on the just reopen web site ...Trinity says that the DEA is in the process of considering the legalization of his church to serve Ayahuaska to the USA public .....can you confirm that Trinity as been ban from the USA by the American emigration ? And that he cannot even enter the USA ?Why are you guys not telling the truth to your viewers ?With all the letters that as been sent to the US immigrations complaining about Trinity ...he will probably never be able to come back to the USA ...Why are you not telling the truth about his legal status in the USA ?
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Henry Jolicoeur Is it that you want them to belive that somhow the money you ow them is soon coming to them ?
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Dylan Ayahealings
Dylan Ayahealings Here's the story on that. When Trinity tried to enter the US via Canada, they found film equipment in his car, suspecting him of entering the US to work which is not allowed. They searched online for his birth name (Christopher de Guzman) but could not find anything. Finally they found a card in his wallet which said Trinity, and after searching for Trinity de Guzman, they found the church. This confirmed in their minds that he was entering the US to work at the church. I believe it didn't have much to do with the church itself but simply for the fact that they knew he was entering for work which was not allowed. However, I'm not entirely sure.
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Dylan Ayahealings
Dylan Ayahealings We will be fully reimbursing all members who have lost money to cancelled flights and/or hotels. Members who no longer want to attend a retreat will receive back the money they have donated as well. It's very hard for me to estimate how quickly this will but I expect that within a few months everything will be settled. I have recommended members to dispute the charges via their credit card company/bank so they receive the money faster and we have to pay back the processing company later on.
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Henry Jolicoeur
Henry Jolicoeur The story is that Trinity is now listed in the USA immigration computers as an undesirable and with all the reports that as now been sent to the Us immigration about is desires to establish churches ...he will not be allow back in ...so stop bullshiting the public and asking for their prayers for the church approval in those videos that the DEA will approve the church ...many many professional have advise the DEA that you guys are a dangerous .
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Henry Jolicoeur
Henry Jolicoeur There are many Santo Daime churches in the USA that are trying to be legal as Santo Daime is in Oregon ...the way you have manage your entry in the selling of ceremonies in the USA ...is dispicable and a danger for the legalisation of the ayahuwaska for sincere churches that have never cheated their followers as you guys did ....you should be ashame of the ways you have manage your affairs so far ...but no not much excuses ...just come on down to Peru and more selling of ceremonies .
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Dylan Ayahealings
Dylan Ayahealings Well I can't look into the USA immigration computers so I can neither confirm or deny that. Unless you have proof of this I don't think it's reasonable to assume this as fact. Trinity is strongly convinced that the DEA will grant the church in Elbe the exemption and he feels that prayers/positive intentions help in this process. I don't see anything wrong in asking people for their prayers.
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Dylan Ayahealings
Dylan Ayahealings Personally I am not worried about the legalization of Ayahuasca or anything else for that matter. I don't think any person has any moral right whatsoever to tell other people what they can or cannot do with their own bodies. We are sovereign individuals and were given free will to live and explore the depths of our own consciousness freely as we wish. The power of those who claim the right to forcibly rule over and control others is diminishing more strongly each day. Truth and freedom shall prevail, it can be no other way.


Henry Jolicoeur Trinity as been convinced of many things before ...and he was dead wrong ....and he manage to convince with his helpers many people to give their hard earn money for ceremonies that as never happen...there are still laws in the USA ....You sound like the many brainwash cult members that have have help deprogram in my psychotherapist life ...Trinity as lied and deceived and you as an associate of him will share the same karma ...


Dylan Ayahealings Well, there actually have been six retreats before the church went on a hiatus. And with the exception of a few, mostly from the first retreat, a large majority of members had an incredibly beautiful experience.

I know very well how mass brainwashing works and can safely say that I am the opposite of brainwashed. I have to admit you come off as very judgmental and negative for a psychotherapist. You really don't know me at all and are in no position whatsoever to judge my karma.
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Henry Jolicoeur The reality is that you guys are a selfish little cult that do not give a dam about the dozens of Santo Daime churches that are trying to legalize their churches in many states of the USA(churches that ask a $50 dollrs donation ...maximum ) ...Trinity came illigally to the United States to organise these paying ceremonies ...and you just fuck people over ...yes I am judgemental ...I am judging your irresponsable behaviors full of lies and deceits ... And what negativity ? Trinity just made a video talking about how great its gonna be when the DEA approve your church and he cannot even enter the USA .....THAT I KNOW FOR SURE ..You guys are delusional ..trying to make a buck on the back of naive people .
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Henry Jolicoeur And if you want to hear something positive that might help your delusional mind ...listen to this video from MOJI ...a disciples of Ramana Maharshi
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Henry Jolicoeur The link is [www.youtube.com] I have made a 12 hours documentary about Ramana that you can find on YOUTUBE if you make a search for David Godman The reality is that i have met people that have drank ayahuwaska every week for 20 years and they have made very little or no spiritual progress.....The mind is vaste ...visions are infinite ...and according to the wisdom of the sages of India ....all spiritual work must lead to self Realization...and the Buddha calls it enlightenment ...Share this video with Christopher ...thats about as positive as positive can be .I might sound harsh ...but i know for sure that behind this mind of yours is that same divine soul as mine ......Do a service to YOURSELF drop this path that your are on ...and refocus your search ...Santo Daime as always ask for the constant protection of Jesus the Chris.....talk to him
Mooji - On Ayahuasca
Recorded on Sunday, 20th March 2016 Source: [www.youtube.com]?…
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 21, 2016, 8:20 pm
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MORE OF THE CONVERSATION
11:10pm Apr 21
"Let those who have been fuck there deal with Trinity hey? You wash your hands of that one hey Dyland" No, I am doing everything I can to compensate and help the members who have lost money. Anything other than that is outside of my control. I will continue to follow my heart and truth and do what I feel is right.
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Henry Jolicoeur
Henry Jolicoeur 11:07pm Apr 21
But its the reality that people had to ask their banks to investigate your group because they could not get their money back ...so maybee it was not your intention ....but your group did fuck them over ....you are probably a sincere but misguided young man ...i got kids your age that come to Santo Daime with me ...Elbe is in rear view mirror hey ? Let those who have been fuck there deal with Trinity hey? You wash your hands of that one hey Dyland ? Anyway I told you what I had to tell you ....Don,t walk away from Trinity RUN RUN RUN and refocus your own heart ....Namaste may Gid guide you from your heart .
Dylan Ayahealings
Dylan Ayahealings 10:51pm Apr 21
Although I disagree with your projections of us, I actually fully understand the worries and criticisms that you’ve expressed here and in your video. And I appreciate you sharing this. I however disagree with the statement that we are 'fucking people over' or that we have (purposely) lied to and deceived people. The church was not established for profit or to ‘make a buck off naïve people’. Personally I don't care about money, status or material possessions at all. And just so you know, all my energy is going towards a new center in Peru that I feel will be incredibly heart-centered. Actions speak louder than words and time will tell. I am not working for the church in Elbe.
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 21, 2016, 8:52 pm
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Tulsi must be exposed, Butler must be stopped.

Easy to say ...the reality is that you VOX have a passion to expose theses guys
and as far as I can see the general public could not care less ...
I was looking at a video of
Tulsi following Bernie Sanders on his tour of America and doing an introduction with the ALOHA word and explanation and the general public just eating it up like "SHE IS SO GREAT "...with Bernie smiling on the side ......what will it take to turn the public againts her ...a freaking miracle.
and at the same time money keeps flowing in Butler coffer
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 21, 2016, 10:13 pm
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LAST PART OF THE CONVERSATION WITH DYLAND

Dylan Ayahealings Although I disagree with your projections of us, I actually fully understand the worries and criticisms that you’ve expressed here and in your video. And I appreciate you sharing this. I however disagree with the statement that we are 'fucking people over' or that we have (purposely) lied to and deceived people. The church was not established for profit or to ‘make a buck off naïve people’. Personally I don't care about money, status or material possessions at all. And just so you know, all my energy is going towards a new center in Peru that I feel will be incredibly heart-centered. Actions speak louder than words and time will tell. I am not working for the church in Elbe.
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Henry Jolicoeur But its the reality that people had to ask their banks to investigate your group because they could not get their money back ...so maybee it was not your intention ....but your group did fuck them over ....you are probably a sincere but misguided young man ...i got kids your age that come to Santo Daime with me ...Elbe is in rear view mirror hey ? Let those who have been fuck there deal with Trinity hey? You wash your hands of that one hey Dyland ? Anyway I told you what I had to tell you ....Don,t walk away from Trinity RUN RUN RUN and refocus your own heart ....Namaste may Gid guide you from your heart .
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Dylan Ayahealings "Let those who have been fuck there deal with Trinity hey? You wash your hands of that one hey Dyland" No, I am doing everything I can to compensate and help the members who have lost money. Anything other than that is outside of my control. I will continue to follow my heart and truth and do what I feel is right.
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Henry Jolicoeur I wonder if you even know how to fallow your heart ...young man ?Hope you know about heartmath ...just google it ...might help you to make the difference betwen your mind and your heart
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 22, 2016, 9:59 am
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It is pretty hopeless.
Most of the Hawaiian electorate, both Democrats and Republicans, are just so darn proud of the fact that their pretty, bikini wearing surfer-girl, fatigue wearing combat veteren, upwardly mobile congresswoman is taking a spot on the national stage.
This will NOT be easy to overcome.
It may be impossible.
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 22, 2016, 10:35 am
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LOOKS LIKE TNT WEB SITE IS DOWN AGAIN
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 22, 2016, 11:30 am
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Excellent coverage by local press:

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Experiences Near Mineral on Hiatus, Moves Retreats to Peru
Church of Ayahuasca Healings: Official Website Shut Down, Phone Turned Off, Retreats Canceled

The Church of Ayahuasca Healings sprang on the local scene late last year and quickly managed to catch the attention, and lots of ire, from locals who questioned their motives.
Now, the supposed church appears to be going out with a whimper, and possibly a bank account full of cash.

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Lewis County Deputy Prosecutor Eric Eisenberg said one of the main issues facing the Ayahuasca Church has been its failure to comply with a pre-submission conference with the county, which is a requirement for all new businesses. Those conferences are intended to preemptively identify and address any regulatory or code issues that may affect the group’s operation.
According to Eisenberg, the group said it would participate in a pre-submission conference but never did. Later, after receiving complaints that the church was serving prepared food without the proper facilities or paperwork, the county instructed the church to obtain a food handler’s permit and to abide by all food safety requirements in the kitchen.

More: [www.chronline.com]

The Lewis County Health Department was very responsive to our concerns about the lack of proper food handling practices, good for them. Also the Washington State Department of Health was very responsive to concerns about an unlicensed massage therapist, kudos to them. And the local reporter Jordan Nailon is doing a great job chronicling this commercial operation.
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 22, 2016, 11:52 am
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Dylan Ayahealings Here's the story on that. When Trinity tried to enter the US via Canada, they found film equipment in his car, suspecting him of entering the US to work which is not allowed. They searched online for his birth name (Christopher de Guzman) but could not find anything. Finally they found a card in his wallet which said Trinity, and after searching for Trinity de Guzman, they found the church. This confirmed in their minds that he was entering the US to work at the church. I believe it didn't have much to do with the church itself but simply for the fact that they knew he was entering for work which was not allowed. However, I'm not entirely sure.

This is from a conversation Dabult earlier posted here.

Trinity knows he is not supposed to work in USA. Yet he was working, and has worked here before. Trinity / Christopher de Guzman had a Florida corporation Trinity Marketing Solutions LLC, now inactive. [search.sunbiz.org]

I know this is him because this company is associated with his email trinitydeguzman@gmail.com on his Ship My Mail account.

His bio includes details of working in USA [www.prreach.com]
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 22, 2016, 12:33 pm
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I think that TNT is not telling the truth to even his closet associates ...like a little cult leader he tells them just anof to keep them working for him in his "AMAZING AMAZING DELUSIONS "If I am right
His "brothers and sisters intro is just pure bullshit ...

I wonder if Dyland who seem like a nice and naive kid knows about the TNT had a Florida corporation .(good work luminal )

As my mother use to say ...you can fool some people sometime ...but not all people all a time ...

what he is doing in Peru ...is also illegal collecting money via internet ...and brigning Americans down to Peru for ceremonies ...
I have contacted various Peruvian agencies in Peru and Canada
I hope they arest him and trow him out of Peru .
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Ex Cult Member speaks out

April 22, 2016, 12:51 pm
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I recorded an interview with a woman from Canada who was in the Chris Butler cult for 9 years. During this 9 years she was shipped down to Kailua to work for Chris Butler in "personal service". We spoke for 40 minutes, but this is just part 1. Many aspects of her story were not covered yet, so hopefully before too long we can finish our conversation.

Chris Butler distributing his toenail clippings for consumption was confirmed, this poor girl had to act happy about receiving the strange item, Chris Butler's disgusting little toenail.

Yo Chris! That shit is harsh, bro! Don't mike nice Canadian girls have to accept your disgusting toenail clippings.

https://soundcloud.com/chrisbutlercult/ex-chris-butler-cult-member-speaks-out-part-1
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 22, 2016, 1:15 pm
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dabcult Wrote:
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> I have contacted various Peruvian agencies in Peru
> and Canada
> I hope they arest him and trow him out of Peru .

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This is wonderful, thank you for making those phone calls to the authorities.
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 22, 2016, 2:10 pm
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Great interview Rama—and yet another person confirming the craziness of it all. If the highest form of love and devotion is washing my guru's socks and being paranoid if I sneeze, no thanks—i'll pass.
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