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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 22, 2016, 2:33 pm
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Right on, Ian! I heartfully agree.

There's a lot more to get at with her, but a few great points that were new to me, like preparing the cult members to follow nobody else besides Chris Butler, even after his death.

I was watching the newest episode of the unbelievably good "Better Call Saul" and this scene is absolutely terrific, I wonder if Vince Gilligan ever read this forum because this scene is Chris Butler all the way.

http://youtu.be/5twjjmU_GJQ
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 22, 2016, 3:38 pm
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Supposedly one of the two upcoming retreats in Pisac, Peru is May 29 - June 5.

But there are security warnings up concerning that time in Peru, including from the government of Canada. [travel.gc.ca] "Demonstrations and protests are common throughout the country and may increase in the period surrounding the second round of presidential elections scheduled for June 5, 2016.".These protests can turn violent.

There are quite a few other safety warnings.
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Another way to look at the situation

April 22, 2016, 6:12 pm
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Carlfig wrote:

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Most of the Hawaiian electorate, both Democrats and Republicans, are just so darn proud of the fact that their pretty, bikini wearing surfer-girl, fatigue wearing combat veteren, upwardly mobile congresswoman is taking a spot on the national stage.

Guys, there may be another way to look at this situation.

Voters are not stupid. Voters are human. We have a sense of the normal, the
day to day.

Most of us do not want to believe that things can become so terrible.

More so, most of us do not want to believe that our vote has entangled
us in a situation that is bizarre and so corrupt that it would be cartoonish
were it not that scores of young people have been scarred for life and children are still serving hard time in Butlerite households and in that jungle school in the Philippines.

We find it a stretch to imagine that a sweet young women could
be involved in something so ghastly, be born into something so ghastly
and go on to be groomed and then placed in the House of Representatives,
as though Chris Butler used her as a Barbie Doll in a game of power politics.

Part of the subconscious conditioning of most Americans who are not persons of color is that here in the USA, life is fair, and that bad guys cannot Get Away With It. can never prevail.

Thing is, the USA would never have come into existence had it not been
for a bunch of discontented British colonists who did come to believe that
matters were unacceptably vile. But, over two hundred years later, we
have lost that edge.

This message board is trying to get the same message across about cults and
their far reaching impact upon the voting process and whether law and order
becomes a dead letter when a guru lives in the neighborhood, or the polygamists
or Scientologists purchase enough real estate that they can take over a town and make their own laws.
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 22, 2016, 7:39 pm
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I was inspire to do another video to expose TNT

[www.youtube.com]

Its simply criminal for him to say in in latest video
"Please pray for the DEA approve my church "

When the " ayahuaska minister" cannot even enter the USA
and by now so many people have reported him to the USA immigration
as having work in the USA ....he will probably be BAR for life .

The guy is obviously delusional
anyway with this video I wanted ti bring the discussion to another level.
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 22, 2016, 8:57 pm
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Tonight again on BBC news ... I saw Tulsi sharing the stage with Bernie Sanders ...sitting right next to him .
Bernie is using the Aloha girl ...to warm up the his public
He does not seem to give a dam about her cult connections..or connection to the India far right ...Bernie as raised 43 millions dollars last month ....more than any other candidates....she surely will get his help in the coming elections
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 22, 2016, 9:10 pm
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Dylan Guss has just announced that he is publically disassociating himself from Ayahuasca Healings.

I don't know that Dylan is fully free yet, since he plans to possibly stay involved with Trinity, in an "advisory role". Yet this is very hopeful news.

Dylan in his statement makes it clear that Trinity de Guzman and Marc Roland Shackman are the founders of Ayahuasca Healings. They are responsible.
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 23, 2016, 3:53 am
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Where can I read this statement?
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 23, 2016, 8:02 am
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Posted last night on a Facebook group Ayahuasca Healings is NOT legal:

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Dylan Ayahealings


Hello everyone,

First of all I want to thank you for the received responses to what I’ve posted here and for the meaningful dialogues that have taken place.

I’ve done a lot of thinking about this situation, about my position with Ayahuasca Healings and about my responsibilities in correcting this situation. I’ve realized that I’ve taken on the role of the spokesperson of the Ayahuasca Healings church while I’m really not. Trinity and Marc are the founders. The church was founded in May and I joined in December, not being conscious of the complex legal issues. My work consisted mainly of answering e-mails, helping with registrations and trying to steer things in the right direction.

Whether this makes me ‘guilty’ of any wrongdoings I suppose is up to each individual to decide. Personally I do not feel that I’m responsible for what has happened. The rightful anger and frustration in regard to this situation has been bothering and weighing me down for a long time. For my own well-being I must move on and publicly disassociate myself from the Ayahuasca Healings church. Which means I will be leaving this group tomorrow and will no longer be answering e-mails. Someone else will be taking on this position within several days.

I still think I have the moral obligation to do everything I can to correct this situation and help the members who feel they’ve been harmed in any way. Which I believe will mainly consist of an advisory role to Trinity on the best and most ethical way of moving forward and correcting the mistakes. I will also be advising all members tomorrow by e-mail on how to dispute the charges via their credit card company or bank, by adding the public announcement.

Right now I'm not sure what I'll be doing in the near future, whether or not I'll be attending the Peruvian retreats or what role I'll play in the new center. Time will tell.

Please from now on e-mail support@ayahuascahealings.com if you want to share your thoughts or criticism.
Thank you.
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 23, 2016, 8:35 am
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Their website is once again up. I don't know why it has been up and down lately.

Their Peru retreat will include a Kambo ceremony. This involves poisoning people. Trinity's claims are not backed up by medical science, or even an understanding of human anatomy.

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For those who feel the call, the first ceremony will consist of a Kambo session. This medicine will be served by the best Kambo practitioner in the Sacred Valley who has been visiting the jungle to study with the native tribes for several years, together with one or two fellow practitioners to assist her.

Kambo is an incredibly potent medicine, derived from the secretion of the giant monkey frog (Phyllomedusa bicolor, also known as the giant leaf frog) that live in the North-West area of the Amazon rain forest.

This medicine is known to lift ‘panema’, according to the Katukina people, a dense cloud that supposedly surrounds human beings and that can be translated with an expression such as ‘negative energy’, ‘bad luck’, ‘depression’ or ‘laziness’.

The often unpleasant yet incredibly rewarding session involves the highly trained practitioner burning several dots with a small wooden stick on the receiving person’s arm, shoulder or ankle. Afterwards, the frog’s secretion will be applied to the wounds, which will start the cleansing process.

Within several minutes the face and neck may swell up, the liver quickly releases many stored up toxins into the stomach, and are purged (released) through vomiting or diarrhea. The entire process usually lasts no more than half an hour and often leaves you with a sense of newfound mental clarity and of feeling energetically and physically cleansed.

[ayahuascahealings.com]
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 23, 2016, 9:53 am
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Incredibly ...Trinity is becoming more dangerous by the minute ...
Secretion of giant frogs ...whats next ?

and some people are just gonna say OK YES give me some ...
soooooooooooooo SAD
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 23, 2016, 1:36 pm
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Fear not, for better or worse, Bernie and tulsi will not win the nomination as a team.

I say for better or worse because on the good side of all things that can go bad, a tulsi Bernie presidency is by far not the worst.

What truly is worse is the opposition. Yes yes, I know this sounds like endorse, but believe me it isn't.

I'm just saying the battle looks best left and focused on butlers feet so the madness ends with him.

Bernie is not stupid, the moment he sees any kind of weird religious/cult shenanigans from tulsi, trust me, he will pull the plug.

I'm still personally hopeful that toasted announces her cult associations and makes good enough on her past. Likely not but there is a global surge right now of rationality. People see clearly where the cult mentality leads. From a political standpoint, it will become increasingly unpopular to standby any specific religious views, let alone washing Butler's underwear.
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 23, 2016, 1:39 pm
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Toasted=tulsi, a Freudian slip by Siri/spelling AutoCorrect.;)
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 23, 2016, 2:57 pm
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I do not know how the DEA is proceeding to approve or not approve the use of Ayahuwaska ....Would they approve the church for one substance or many substances

Trinity as already said he is using San Pedro ...Now Kambo ...
Whoever is reporting Trinity to the DEA should let the DEA know that Trinity is using all theses substances and will probably use all of theses if his church is ever approve in the USA .As my last video points out ...Its addictions to experiences after experiences .A little of this and a little of that ....and hoping for the best .
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 23, 2016, 4:43 pm
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I fail to see why is it the concern of this board whether Bernie/Tulsi ticket wins or not? Our business is to present Truth. Whether people buy that or not, it is beyond our control. What we could control is our facts, accounts and opinions. We have to be credible and rational. People are like herds, for whatever reason they vote, is not necessarily the truth or the right one, otherwise Bush would not have been president.

We are for the renegades or those few that will never compromise truth. Most importantly, we should be there for the innocent victims. As long as we are sincere and consistent, even if it is just one soul to heed our concern, that should be all worth it. I understand why exers stay away from this issue and choose not to participate, but hey, over 400,000 views is by itself an achievement. The important thing is for our info to be available 24/7, and our arguments compelling and bullet-proofed. I’m still in touch with some members, I know they lurk in. Truth works frustratingly slow, but it resonates with those who truly seek it and it changes lives.

Cults, whether we like it or not, will be with us, there’s just too much money in the mind-control business. Mind control is not just about getting hypnotized and doing things against their will. It is usually fun from the outside and people do things "willingly". It’s all about hippie-dom. People like to be in hippie-dom because it fulfills their sense of belonging, it has nothing to do with God or even mindfulness. People like to belong to and believe in something, it’s genetics, we are social creatures. There’s nothing wrong with that. It's when the innocent gets hurt in the process and believers start to make excuses for things that are obviously ridiculous, like worshipping a former stone head hippie, who wears a tin-foil hat and lives like Howard Hughes, that’s where we come in – to expose things that are questionable, possibly criminal and hurtful, to help fix things right. We are anti-weird, first and foremost, not against people who are simply impressed with a certain lifestyle. Just continue to be interesting and a pain in the “butt”. That’s all we could do.

Thanks, Rama for your wonderful work with Toronto girl, I wish her well. Ian, I believe you. Bernie more likely will not get there. The number is against him. But for Tulsi, when she runs for re-election, perhaps even go federal, all Bernie’s followers will feel obliged to vote for her. He may even campaign for her to return a favor. Politics is all about moves beyond the present.

The FBIs, the Democratic Party and the Kailuans are aware. They will not stupidly touch on religion, but they are aware of the Butler cult. As long as we are here, we will be relevant. She is indeed “toast”.
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 23, 2016, 5:04 pm
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Tulsi will never speak the truth, how many years has she been brainwashed/controlled now?
Plenty of time to ‘fess up.
Instead we have accusations hurled at us for speaking the truth and we are called religious bigots on many blogs and forums.


This is a PSA for all the future US voters that want to vote in the primaries- we are being told that if you are registered as an Independent- you will not be allowed to vote your choice in the primaries!
Yes you heard this right- this is one reason Bernie may have lost in NY!
People went in to vote- were registered as INDEPENDENTS and then were not able to vote. In order to vote in the primaries you have to be either Democrat or Republican...go figure. This is just a head’s up to check you states rules for this issue.

Now, back to the ever-duplicitious and fickle Tulsi (TOOLSI). Oh wait now she is a Dem--no, she is a Repub! No.. now she is ok with LGBT. Wait wait--she smells a rat! Hang on a sec, now she is a DEM again. Ohh now she will play nicey-nicey with same sex marriage--oh really?.....NOT! Here she is on CNN--no wait now its MSN. Hang on a sec, there she is on FOX- wait- now its a tête-à-tête with Wolfy.

But when it comes to....murder - ohhh, does she go silent.

Tulsi reminds me of a foul-weathervane.
Whichever way the ill wind of Butler blows - there she will go.
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Recruiting white Westerners brings prestige to Indian gurus

April 23, 2016, 7:04 pm
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IanKovaic wrote:

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While traditional gaudiya vaishnavas huddled in forests and around mayapur, puri and vrndavana and had few if any disciples—focusing mainly on their simple practice and belief system, there is much emphasis in modern day movements on worldwide preaching and initiations of thousands of "disciples"

Part of it is filthy lucre. The more disciples, the more moola. The various Krishna businesses in and around Vrindavan also get rich the more Krishnite tourists come to town.

There is yet another incentive to manufacture large numbers of disciples - doing so brings prestige. And if one can recruit many Western disciples, and better ye3t have lots of them grovelling to you in public, an Indian guru's status is greatly increased.

[forum.culteducation.com]

Prabhupada was a no name bloke when he left India and shipped off to the USA.

When he returned to India, waited on hand and foot by American and British converts, Prabhupada was lionised by the great and good of India.

Ditto for Mahrishi and the other commercial gurus. Having lots of submissive white Western devotees is sheer delight for these status conscious, caste conscious entrepreneurs.

Make no mistake, Hindu Indians are obsessed with skin color, the whiter the better.

[www.google.com]

Just look at the marriage ads.
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 24, 2016, 2:36 am
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VoxVeritasVita Das Wrote:
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> Instead we have accusations hurled at us for
> speaking the truth and we are called religious
> bigots on many blogs and forums.

The Haribols are obviously capitalizing on the politically correct trend among social justice warriors that religious tolerance means you’re a bigot if you criticize a religion, especially non-traditional ones, like Islam, or in the case of the Science of Nonsensity, Hinduism, if they are even “Hindus” as opposed to the reality that they are a “cult” by definition and practices. What’s so hypocritical about the trend is, if you’re a Christian or Jewish, anyone can shit in your mouth.

We should not be bothered by the “bigotry” card, it’s an old trick meant to quash open debate. The truth is, for more than a decade’s existence of this board, Jagad Screwball’s minions have nothing to defend their beloved guru with from valid inquiries. It’s because of this forum’s existence that they are discredited but still choose to live in denial. The cult thrives because followers willfully play the game and genuinely enjoy the obvious lies. It has nothing to do with God or even the guru. They need the guru to go on with his weirdness because they enjoy the game and the hippie-dom. I bet, even if God himself comes down from heaven to disown Jagad Screwball, the followers will still choose the game. That is the very definition of mind-control, has nothing to do with hypnotism or magic spell. Mind-control is simply a switch to a new set of values that is so addictive it rationalizes and justifies weirdness.

True, public forums are impossible to police. We are perfectly imperfect. We will never could tell, who is the plant from genuine posters. The fact is public forum is just that, criticisms are all valid, but serious seekers understand and the truth will resonates with them one way or another. Readers will take us with a grain of salt but we will still be quoted for the gems that we post. I was blindsided by Flashlight on Roaches. If true, that was unfortunate. Most people here would rather keep this board pretty credible and bullet-proofed from moral degradation. Why? First, we can’t be the people we criticize, it would be hypocritical if you’re worse; second, the world we represent is the real one, be bold and unapologetic about it, never level down with bat-shit crazies; and lastly, if someone heeds your call (to leave the cult), you have the moral obligation to at least give comfort and support, not leave that person out in the cold or throw under the bus.

That said, no one is squeaky clean. We try our best to become students of the issue, co-learners from our past experiences and apply those learned lessons from past mistakes to ourselves first, then to others. We grow as we contribute. This way helps this board worth visiting and become a true source of inspiration, comfort, wisdom and strength, even entertainment, to victims of religious cults, especially the children.
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 24, 2016, 9:10 am
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In the bigger picture, the tiny little, nearly insignificant, domino is Tulsi Gabbard, controlled by Butler.

The last and largest and heaviest domino can best be described as all of us and everyone in the USA.
Tulsi in the White House?
NOT!

Save the Big Domino.

[www.facebook.com]

People are listening now, keep posting on social media about this cult.
Let people know.
Inform, educate and alert others.
The higher Butler reaches, the bigger target he becomes.
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 24, 2016, 9:46 am
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Kambo is not illegal.
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Trinity is using all theses substances and will probably use all of theses if his church is ever approve in the USA

The DEA does not approive "the church." The DEA gives specific exemptions for specific practices that are otherwise against the law. If it approves their use of ayahuasca, that does not carry over to any other substance, such as San Pedro.
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April 24, 2016, 12:39 pm
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Thank you gayle ...
Since you are the scholar among us ...i hope that you will be the one writing to the DEA and offering a explanation with what TNT is doing and using .....Must be very difficult to control what substances a church will use ...once they are approve for ayahuaska .I know that in Oregon the Santo Daime churches where very very careful not to let anyone smoke marijuana around their churches...so as not to put in peril their approval by the DEA for Ayahuaska.

On another subject ...i was listening to a recent video of TNT that seem to suggest that his church will be different from other churches using ayahuaska
in the USA because he said "I BELIEVE IN ALL RELIGIONS"
that sounded like the Christian aspect of santo Daime was to limited for him .

Such affirmations "I BELIEVE IN ALL RELIGION" for me shows a very ignorant TNT when it comes to Theology . Does he believe in Islam ? Does he more belived in Sunni or Shia ..Islam ? Does he believe in Scientology ...or various parts on Hinduism that worship halph man halph elephants god and anothet 99,000 Gods and Goddesses..when it come to Christianity ...Jehovah witness ...Mormons...
and a hundred sub groups ...and Judaism wich does not recognise Jesus at all .
The reality as gayle said rightly in a prior post ...he is making his theology as he goes ...he as no real undrestanding of anything deep or common sense when it comes to Theology.
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