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Some "tealers" reportedly wanted the Alchemy tattoo in 2015

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P.1/5 The Ugly Truth About Teal Swan
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One person commented following the video

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(Name omitted by Corboy for privacy)
3 years ago
I am a tealer. I read comments that others write on facebook and think to myself wow there alot of tealers that are so messed up. Then I read a post about people wanting to get the teal alchemy tattoo. Then I see a picture of teal with a few others all showing the same tattoo. I begin to think wow this is so cultist. She is attracting and manipulating vunerable people. This is dangerous thank you for sharing. I couldnt comment on fb because it doesnt allow me to. No surprises there. ?

three years ago, another commenter noted,

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Painted Starlight
3 years ago
(Name omitted for privacy - Corboy)

I want to thank you for bringing the truths into light. Although I have no personal experiences w/ Teal.

My first sense of doubt of Teal came to me was when I watched the video of her interview where she disclosed her childhood tortures and claimed that there were many scars on her from her handler but then I remembered seeing many photos of her modelling in swimsuits with her beautiful body and perfect skin with no scars whatsoever. Being a fan of her at the time, I just told myself maybe they photoshop it out but then was that when I kinda stopped taking her too seriously...

There are many people really deep into her stories and I hope they could wake up and see her for what she is. Even if she really was a hybrid and pyschic. No one should put her above anyone else because that is a potential that we could all reach one day.?

Another comment that contains a stunning rationalization. Why listen to anyone if you consider them a liar?

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CB (Name omitted by Corboy for privacy)
3 years ago
I think that statement is way over the top. You are crediting Teal and the New Age movement with too much power and people with too little common sense or self awareness. No one is going to fall of any cliff, they will just move on, like you ought to.?

(A typical denial of the power of social influence in groups centered on authoritarian leaders- go study the Stanford Prison Experiment done by Philip Zimbardo [www.prisonexp.org] - Corboy.

CB (Name omitted for privacy by Corboy)
3 years ago

I believe Teal can be very helpful and stimulate a lot of discussion as a philosopher, rather than a 'spiritual catalyst' per say, and for me that's a healthy way to perceive her.

Her self appointed role as a spiritual guide is something which comes down to personal preference and more of a reflection of where you are at the time, I feel.

The only part about Teal that I don't like is that I know she lies.

I saw her in an interview with a Danish woman a few weeks back, and she claimed to be able to see the woman's aura through her skype computer camera. The woman asked if that was possible, and Teal answered that it was, depending on how good the cameras were! I know this isn't possible through skype or ordinary TV cameras, and that you would only see an aura in your mind's eye through your own connection to that person, not as an energy field on screen unless it was a kirlian camera.

The other thing I find hard to believe is her claim that she has to focus really hard to make out solid objects because everything is just merging energy fields that she finds hard to decipher. She has no trouble focusing enough to put her make up on every day and dress the part, and I really feel if that were the case her own appearance would be one of the least important aspects of her presence. I know most women are conditioned to be really vain and self conscious, but you would think being so much more spiritual none of that stuff would really matter much to her.

From this I would conclude that her ego is more important than her message. Mother Theresa she isn't!

But I like Teal, because she just does her thing, and I can take it or leave it.?

Corboy (scratching head in utter puzzlement)

What's there to like if you consider someone a liar and that their ego is more
important than their message?

Re: Uma Inder , Umaa

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I observed mostly from distance, only sat for meal 2 times with group. I knew people in the group who I will check are ok. I always thoughts there was hypnotism going on. The information here is shocking. Hope people are careful.

Re: Uma Inder , Umaa

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Here's a very detailed expose from an org called Families Against Cult Teachings all about Uma Inder. Uma Inder Expose

Al Qaeda chief Al Zawahiri defends Muslim Brotherhood in new video

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"Al Qaeda leader Ayman Al Zawahiri has appeared in a new video defending the Muslim Brotherhood, and calling on Muslims to unite and focus their ire on the US.

In the video entitled 'America is the First Enemy of the Muslims', Al Zawahiri is clad in white robes and gestures dramatically with his arms whilst speaking to camera."

[www.thenational.ae]

Mario Pianesi - Laughter and Internet Use Forbidden Ma Pi Diet

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Bizarre rules of Italian macrobiotic 'cult' revealed by victims

Members of group under police investigation not allowed to laugh excessively or use internet

A multi layered cult?

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But such was his popularity, people in Macerata are struggling to believe the revelations. The local macrobiotic restaurant, offering cheap and healthy meals, is well-visited.

“I know many who work at the restaurants and are not exploited,” said Marco Ribechi, a journalist who reflected on Pianesi as a potential Jekyll and Hydecharacter in an article for the local online newspaper, . “Some of it may be exaggerated, but this is just my opinion.”

He said there may have been “layers” within the movement, whereby some people were exploited and others were not.

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Complainants described a sinister network which allegedly wielded power through a diet claimed to provide miracle cures for viruses and illnesses such as HIV, cancer and diabetes. Rules allegedly included banning women from wearing short skirts, make-up and from washing during their period. More bizarre customs were said to include having to get out of bed on the right side and cutting hair and nails on any day of the week other than Tuesday or Thursday.

People were also allegedly banned from laughing too much, using the internet and going to the gym, while men were told that wives who left them were akin to prostitutes.

“The rules came about over time,” said Vanda Secondino, who became involved with the group in 1989 after attending one of its first holiday camps.


For the rest of the story, go here:

[www.theguardian.com]

"Do You Need Space? If So, You Are Being Inauthentic" Teal Swan

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Controversial U.S “Spiritual Guru” Teal Swan Will Offer Workshops at her Costa Rica Center in July
By Laura Alvarado – March 12, 2018


Costa Rica Star News
Sunday, March 25, 2018

[news.co.cr]

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Spiritual guru Teal Swan, founder of “The Principle of Authenticity”, author and speaker will be offering workshops in Costa Rica July 7 through July 14 during the retreat “The Curveball”.

33-year-old Swan who was born in Santa Fe, New Mexico, has raised plenty of controversy, she considers herself revolutionary (like Martin Luther King and Gandhi)and according to Dailymail.co.uk “She believes she’s an alien destined for world domination, says she can enter people’s brain stems, and claims Hitler was the greatest contributor to world peace”.

The retreat consists of 4 days of workshops and 2 days of excursion; the all-inclusive retreat has a cost of $4,200 in a shared room or $5,000 in single room. The meals included are vegan with vegetarian options. The event will take place at the Philia Center in Atenas, Alajuela, Costa Rica, a place that was created by Teal Swan herself and her husband Ale with the vision of “building a retreat where people could awaken, heal and come alive in an atmosphere that is centered on human connection”.

Teal Swan claims to having been born with several extrasensory abilities, among them, clairvoyance, clairsentience and clairaudience. In her blogs she has told her story which includes being a survivor of childhood abuse.

Currently Swan has 434 thousand subscriptions in You Tube, 53 million views of her videos, 162 thousand followers on Facebook and 60 thousand in Instagram.

According to the information on her website:

”In this extraordinary workshop, you will be going into it completely blind and so will she. As an extrasensory, Teal Swan, the internationally recognized spiritual leader will show up completely unprepared. She will observe the group and based on her observations, she will custom design the workshop to the specific attendees that stand before her.

"A curveball is something that is unexpected, surprising and disruptive.

"We call this workshop “The Curveball” because those of us who know Teal, know that she loves to throw curveballs. It is a guarantee that by attending this workshop, you will encounter the unexpected, you will be surprised and the patterns that are holding you back will be disrupted.”




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She believes she's an alien destined for world domination, says she can enter people's brain stems, and claims Hitler was the greatest contributor to world peace.

She has called death 'delicious', seemingly endorsed suicide, but also believes she has the power to help people 'stay physically alive'.

She is Teal Swan, better known as the Gucci Guru, and she has become what some call the leader of a terrifying posh cult detailed in a new Medium article.

You will never find Swan in robes, she prefers tight skirts. And the self-appointed leader is unabashed about her preference for expensive jewels and luxurious hotels.

That's because Swan is as forthright in her thirst for fame as she is with the belief that she was anointed in this life by 'sixth dimensional beings'.

'I knew that I wanted to be famous and be on people's television screens and be on stage,' she once said.

'At a cellular level, I knew that I was destined to be a performer.'

'Before I even came down, there was an entire panel of Arcturian beings - sixth dimensional beings - who even chose the way I would look in this life.'

It may sound silly to some, but Swan has successfully spread her message far and wide.

She has 434,000 subscribers on YouTube, 53 million total views on her videos, 162,000 Facebook likes, and 60,000 followers on Instagram.

And that's not including the people who come from all over the world to attend Swan's workshops and seminars at her center in Atenas, Costa Rica.


Meet the glamorous American cult leader nicknamed the Gucci Guru who claims she's part alien and destined for world domination as followers flock to her Costa Rican jungle hideout

[www.culteducation.com]

Teal Swan Philia Healing Center Atenas Costa Rica

Evaluating a Retreat in a Foreign Country

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Never surrender your passport, your money, your computer or telephone to anyone. All that is yours. So is your privacy.

Arrange for someone to pick you up at the end of the retreat and who can also arrive if you decide to leave early. If that person cannot get hold of you, he or she must contact the authorities.

Note: you have the right to leave at any time.

Leaving is learning. You are not a failure.

Anyone who compels you to remain against your will is violating your civil and human rights - this is illegal detention and it is against the law.

You owe no one any explanation why you want to leave - no is a complete sentence.

Arrange a trustworthy friend to stay outside of the retreat, whom you can
contact if you decide you must leave.

How to evaluate whether a retreat is contributing to or harming the local economy:

[forum.culteducation.com]

Re: TEAL SWAN: New Website on self proclaimed "Leader of the New Age"

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(Corboy note:

If a person exhibits just a few of these symptoms, they may not be a cult
leader.

Still, they are likely to be a difficult boss, coworker, roommate, etc. )


“Here are the typical traits of the pathological cult leader (from Dangerous Personalities) you should watch for and which shout caution, get away, run, or avoid if possible:”

50 cult leader warning signs (In addition to lack of financial transparency, harsh treatment toward dissenters, hating on anyone who leaves)

50 Cult Leader Warning Signs

[medium.com]


Corboy note:

Here a couple more items that are warning signs:

The person holds others responsible for his or her illnesses and mood fluctuations. One definition of successful adulthood is ability to hold and contain one's own emotions without excessive use and abuse of other persons or substances.

# 51 The leader claims his or her illnesses, trances, anguish are caused by negative energies.

Sources of these negative energies are :

* Allegations that disciples are failing to service the leader to the latters' standards.

* Allegations that the leader's misery is caused by negativity generated by bad publicity from the outside world.

* Allegations that negativity harming the leader comes from former disciples breaking silence by warning how the leader exhibits abusive behavior.

A Dangerous Teaching Frequently Invoked by Abusive Leaders

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A Dangerous Teaching

The more spiritually advanced one is, the more sensitive one becomes to negative energies. This is a dangerous doctrine that comes in many guises. Disciples who become spiritually advanced become more vulnerable to negative forces, and thus are more in need of the leader's protection.

A version of this is that the closer someone is to G-d, the more vulnerable that person is to demonic assault.

The leader, who is spiritually superior to all others, is supremely powerful and supremely sensitive at the same time.

A powerful leader becomes yet more vulnerable to negative energies --- and thus imposes more demands for purity
and fidelity upon disciples.

Followers are in the impossible position of needing the leader's protection
and at the same time being obligated to protect the leader.

Any time this negative energies doctrine is taught - beware.

Re: Legionaries of Christ

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I Lost My Brother to an Ultra-Conservative Religious Order

Director Zita Effra's debut documentary tells the story of how her brother joined the Legion of Christ.

Matern Boeselager

Mar 26 2018, 7:44am

[www.vice.com]

"They pride themselves on being slim and fit"

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(Interviewer)How did he find out about the order?

It was through our aunt, originally.

The legion organized summer camps for teens, and one year, she asked us if we wanted to go. Our cousins were going, so my brother and I decided to just tag along. It wasn't weird—there was an hour of religious education each day, but aside from that, it was really fun. We went hiking a lot, did a lot of cool stuff, and had a lovely summer.

(Interviewer) So were they trying to recruit you guys at the summer camp?

Yes. They have a youth club called ECYD, which is a Spanish abbreviation for "Education, Culture, and Sport." Physical activity is what distinguishes the legionaries from other orders—they pride themselves on being slim and fit.

The people at the youth club were encouraging everyone to sign up. It already felt a bit cult-ish then, so, to me, it was very obvious that neither of us would actually do it. But I was wrong.

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Re: The Christ Family

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I recently came across this forum and after reading some of the posts, I felt compelled to comment. Wow! A blast from the past indeed. I traveled with the Christ family back in the 70's and early 80's. Spent many years on the road, bare feet, white robe, and in faith. I too had the opportunity to meet many wonderful brothers and sisters including Aaron, Barry, Michael, Rachel, Margaret, Abraham, Anthony, Gene, Stuart, William, Joseph, Sarah, and Becky....There were so many. Like sonshineshell, I did not spend a lot of time in camps or on buses. Most of the time was spent in the wind. I lived the keys (no ksm). I guess my experience was quite different. I was never made to do anything, or to think in any specific way. During my years in the robe, I experienced many spiritual events that cannot be summed up to coincidence. I was aware of my surroundings and witnessed these events with my own eyes. I witnessed brothers and sisters giving of themselves to those in need. Such as giving monies (that were given to us:)) to a single mom for groceries, to a brother getting attacked by brutes that resulted in fixing his bad back. I witnessed a brother bring a man back from the brink of suicide one night at a rest area in New Mexico. So many memories! Maybe some brothers and sisters went gaga over Lightning Amen? I can only speak for myself. When I met him at the camp in Blythe, along the Colorado River, I just saw another brother. I didn't hang out long. I was walking in faith, not to the instructions of any one person. I just wanted to take this opportunity to give thanks to all those that put up with all my questions and kept me company along those many long roads. I did not personally leave any children to join, but my heart goes out to the families and members thereof who have been so negatively affected by the group. Truly, it was never my intention to hurt anyone. I too believe that those who truly seek the truth will find it. I guess in the end, I still have faith, still give thanks, try to forgive, and still vegetarian :) I was vegetarian before the robe :) Peace out!

Nxivm leader charged with sex trafficking

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[www.bbc.com]

"Keith Raniere, the leader of an elusive US self-help group, has been arrested by the FBI in Mexico and charged with sex trafficking.
Federal prosecutors allege Mr Raniere oversaw a "slave and master" system in his group called Nxivm, where female members were expected to have sex with him and were branded with his initials.
He is expected to appear in court on the charges in Texas on Tuesday.
Mr Raniere left the country last year after former members spoke to US media.
A number of women came forward for an investigation published in the New York Times newspaper in October, which led to the United States attorney's office in Brooklyn opening an investigation into the group.
After the piece, a letter by Mr Raniere denied any such practices were sanctioned by the group and said an independent investigation found "no merit" to the allegations.
What is Nxivm?
On its website Nxivm (pronounced nexium) describes itself as a "community guided by humanitarian principles that seek to empower people and answer important questions about what it means to be human."
Based in Albany in upstate New York, the group was founded as Executive Success Programs in 1998 and says it has worked with more than 16,000 people.
Members of the group are reported to include wealthy heiresses, the son of a former Mexican president and Hollywood actresses.
Mr Raniere and his group have been the subject of controversy for several years. Investigative journalist James M. Odato published a number of pieces in the Times Union of Albany Newspaper in 2012 which questioned the group's practices and compared it to a cult.
In 2009 the newspaper wrote about a visit by the Dalai Lama to Albany, which was reportedly sponsored by the Nxivm group. The exiled spiritual leader of Tibet denied he was paid for the appearance.
Catherine Oxenberg at a Hollywood premiere in 2005Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
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Former Dynasty actress Catherine Oxenberg is writing a book about her daughter India, who she says joined the group and became estranged from her
After the New York Times piece was published in 2017 and women came forward, federal authorities began interviewing "witnesses and victims" associated with the group.
What is the group accused of?
An affidavit filed as part of the FBI's criminal complaint says that Nxivm operated as a "pyramid" group where self-help workshops cost members thousands of dollars.
Federal investigators say that in recent years Mr Raniere, 57, set up a secret sorority within the group known as Dominus Obsequious Sororium (DOS), meaning Master Over the Slave Women.
Evidence photographs show the brandingImage copyrightFBI
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The complaint says that once recruited as "slaves", women were allegedly expected to perform menial chores for "masters" and have sex with Mr Raniere, who was known as "The Vanguard".
Investigators say Mr Raniere had a rotating group of 15 to 20 sexual partners, who were not allowed to discuss their relationship with him or have one with anyone else.
They allege that "slaves" in the group had to eat extremely low-calorie diets because of Mr Raniere's preference for thin women.
According to the complaint, members of the group were branded with Mr Raniere's initials using a cauterising pen, often on their pelvic areas, in ceremonies that were filmed by members.
Investigators say members were expected to provide "collateral" as a pre-condition to joining in the form of sexually explicit or other compromising material.
Court documents say investigators have found electronic communication that suggested Mr Raniere was behind the sorority "slave" internal group, something he has denied.
'Unorthadox pyramid scheme'
"Keith Raniere displayed a disgusting abuse of power in his efforts to denigrate and manipulate women he considered his sex slaves," senior FBI official William Sweeney said on Monday.
"He allegedly participated in horrifying acts of branding and burning them, with the co-operation of other women operating within this unorthodox pyramid scheme.
"These serious crimes against humanity are not only shocking, but disconcerting to say the least, and we are putting an end to this torture today."
Photograph of Keith Raniere in the early 1990sImage copyrightCOURTESY OF TIMES UNION ALBANY
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Mr Raniere has maintained Nxivm is a "professional business providing educational tools, coaching and training"
Mr Raniere publicly disputed the New York Times newspaper's account in late 2017 before leaving the country.
"These allegations are most disturbing to me as non-violence is one of my most important values," a letter on his website said.
In the letter, he added that members of the sorority were "thriving, health, happy, better off, and haven't been coerced".
Prosecutors say Mr Raniere was unco-operative when immigration officials detained him at a villa in Mexico.
They say after he was arrested, women he was staying with "chased the car in which the defendant was being transported in their own car at high speed".
Federal prosecutors have requested he be held without bail.
He is expected to be transferred to authorities in New York following Tuesday's court appearance."

Overcomer Ministry/Straitway

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Hey Friends! I am still recovering from the trauma associated with my families involvement with these ministries lead by Charles Dowell and R.G.Stair.
Wondering if anyone out there has experienced these cults.

Rajneesh Osho - Not a Cute Hippie Guru - Cruel and Controlling

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Outside the Limits of the Human Imagination
What the new documentary “Wild, Wild Country” doesn’t capture about the magnetism and evil of the Rajneesh cult

[newrepublic.com]

Some small excerpts here:

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In one of my earliest pieces, “Bhagwan’s Hypnotic Spell,” I recounted that counselors and researchers in the field of mind control and cults believed that Rajneesh was a master of various techniques of inducing altered states of consciousness, techniques that they said he and his assistants used to bind followers to him and his organization. Josh Baran, who ran a support organization in Berkeley called Sorting It Out for people who had left spiritual groups, was my first source on this subject. Baran told me he had learned that Rajneesh and his assistants were extremely skilled in a wide range of techniques for manipulating and controlling people, many of which derived from Eastern religions:

He is quite fluent in various altered states of consciousness, much more than other cult leaders I know of. His techniques include chanting, meditation, Sufi dancing, staring into lights for extended periods of time, and powerful music, all of which induce altered states of mind. What went on at his ashram in Pune was literally a smorgasbord of altered states of mind.

Hilly Zeitlin, a clinical social worker who was co-director of Options for Personal Transition in Berkeley, an organization dealing with cult involvement and related religious issues, said that Rajneesh had made a study of techniques of hypnotic induction used by cults, and told me that he believed Rajneesh to be a “one of the best hypnotists I have ever encountered. The way he uses language, his tone of voice, the way he sequences ideas ... all are essentially hypnotic.” He went on to say that “the art of hypnosis is the art of being vague, while pretending you are being profound,” an art that he thought Rajneesh practiced masterfully in his lectures to his disciples in Pune. “Rajneesh,“ he added, “can be even vaguer now by not saying anything at all.” Rajneesh had taken a “vow of silence” when he left India for the United States. “Now you can project onto him whatever you want to believe.”

Kathleen McLaughlin, an associate professor of religious studies at Lewis & Clark College in Portland, was at the University of Pune from 1977 to 1978 and went to hear Rajneesh lecture at his ashram on several occasions. She told me: “His use of language is wonderful. He is a hypnotic and beautiful speaker who is profoundly psychically connected to his audience. We have an immature understanding of spirituality in the West,” she contended, “and since we don’t believe in psychic phenomena, we are very vulnerable to them. In India it is understood that anybody who meditates can develop psychic powers—the notion is commonly held that there are such powers and that you can develop them if you want to.” McLaughlin said that Western, academically-trained intellectuals are “especially vulnerable to this because they have been trained to use their heads, but not their emotions, and these techniques bypass rational thought.”

Zeitlin asserted that the entire social system of the Rajneesh organization functioned to create hypnotic suggestibility in its members.
Zeitlin asserted that the entire social ystem of the Rajneesh organization functioned to create hypnotic suggestibility in its members. “There is an intense effort to break down normal ways by which people measure themselves, under the guise of going beyond or transcending the ego,” he said, “and all of this is done in hypnotically binding way. They overload the circuits of the conscious mind and then present you with the alternative of ‘inner consciousness.’ Meanwhile, dependence on the group has developed.” Zeitlin told me that he had found in his interviews with ex-Rajneehsees that they were “extremely psychologically regressed” and that their capacity to relate to others and articulate their feelings was “drastically reduced.”

“These techniques, by themselves, are not bad,” asserted Baran. “They are only bad when they are used to control and enfeeble people.” The problem was that Rajneesh and his assistants were using these techniques “to get people to become followers.”

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As reported by Krishna Deva, the ex-mayor of Rajneeshpuram who turned state’s evidence, Rajneesh was comparing himself to Hitler toward the end, stating that Hitler had been similarly misunderstood when he sought to create a “new man” (something Rajneesh also claimed to be doing). Rajneesh, like Asahara, had a medical facility in which deadly substances of various kinds were stockpiled, and were in instances actually deployed.

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n a 1978 issue of the German magazine Stern, a woman named Eva Renzi recounted her experiences in a Rajneesh encounter group. “In the room were eighteen people,” her account begins,

I only knew Jan, a fifty-year-old Dutchman. The leader sat down, after he had closed the thick sound-proofed door. Suddenly a woman hurled herself at another and screamed at her, “You make me sick. You are a vampire. I want to scratch your face, you filthy thing.” She beat her ... . Meanwhile two women and a young man had got up. The young man threw himself on a girl of about eighteen, and boxed her on the ears with the words: “You are a caricature of a Madonna. You think you’re better than us, don’t you. You are the worst person here.” And then, pointing at me, he said, “Together with you, you bitch. You’ve got it coming to you, too.” The girl’s nose was running with blood. She tried desperately to protect herself against the blows. Then the leader took charge: “You probably think that you have control over things. You have not even got control over yourself. You are under total control here.”

Renzi was assigned by the group leaders to spend the night with the Dutchman Jan. However, after eating dinner she went quickly to sleep. “Next day, I appeared for the group punctually,” she wrote.

I said a friendly “good morning,” and icy silence answered me. I sat down. The leader asked what had happened in the previous 24 hours. Then Jan sprang up, pulled me up, and began uninhibitedly beating me. “You whore,” he shouted, “you have humiliated me, you cursed woman, I’ll kill you.” I was horrified. My nose began to bleed. I shouted: “This is your problem, if your masculine pride is hurt.” He beat me further. He tore my blouse and threw me on the floor. Like someone possessed he sat on me, beat me with his fists on my head, choked my neck, and shouted: “Say the truth, you piece of filth.”

“What truth? Are you out of your mind, are you hypnotized?” I shouted. Suddenly he left me ... . I got up trembling, trying to stop my bleeding nose. “Is this a center for developing a crazy masculinity?” I asked. I thought the craziness had passed, and would go. Then first of all a man dived on me. “Exactly that,” he said. “What did you think we’re doing here?” Then two women grabbed me, and then the whole group.

“What happened next was like an evil dream,” Renzi continues. “‘Fight with us, you coward. Will you play holy in here, you whore?’ someone said. I fled from one corner to another. They punched, scratched, and kicked me, and pulled my hair. They tore my blouse and pants off my body. I was stark naked, and they were so surrendered to their madness, that I was filled with death-anxiety. My one thought: to stay conscious. I screamed: ‘Let me go. I want to get out of here.’ At a signal from the leader they let me go.”

Renzi concluded her account for the German public of her experience of Rajneesh group therapy techniques by saying: “This craziness garnished with sadism, this fanaticism with world-beating claims, had I not already heard it somewhere before?”

Re: Overcomer Ministry/Straitway

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Welcome to the CEI message board, bruisedorange88.

You are not alone.

The message board has been here since 2002 -- and is searchable!

Just put 'all dates' when using the search function and that gives you
the entire 15 years of discussions.

Here are the search results for overcomers ministry.

[forum.culteducation.com]

All you need to do is put your own choice of words in the search slot, hit the all dates option and you get your own customized search.

Again, welcome to the CEI message board community.

"I liked myself better before I had to keep so many secrets"

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The Downside of Secret Keeping

If you are in a sufi, metaphysical or theosophical lodge keep this in mind
if you are asked to keep silent about why someone has been betrayed, is in disgrace, has been
banished or someone unqualified has been promoted to a higher level through favoritism.

A person recovering from an abusive group said this in another discussion:

It is a painful predicament to hide all this behind a smile.

Re: Option Institute

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It is now my belief that whoever is posting these bizarre claims is trolling. Most of the allegations made here are false. This is not based on my personal opinion, but facts. The only situation in which I could imagine someone volunteering at Option choosing to stop contacting a loved one is if there was serious abuse happening at home. And if she has a documented psychiatric condition, it’s not likely they would accept the liability of having her there unless it was being treated, based on my observations. They explicitly don’t allow people with active substance abuse issues, suicidal ideation, etc. to be there (in the terms of agreement), and insist people remain following medical advice while there. Option doesn’t isolate people the way cults do, and they absolutely 100% don’t coerce or encourage people to cut off contact from their loved ones. The entire point is to *leave there* and have better communication with friends, partners, and family. In fact, I have been in courses where they give participants homework to work out their differences with loved ones or contact estranged loved ones to heal former conflicts that caused them to stop speaking. The very opposite of what is alleged here is true, so this account is laughable and suggests to me it was likely written by an abusive or controlling spouse that is angry that his partner has chosen not to take the abuse anymore.

I was a volunteer at the Option Institute for a year a little less than a decade ago (before their volunteer program was ended recently due to its cost to the organization.) We received three meals a day from the chef (all you can eat from a large buffet of warm food) and a weekly workshop, so this bizarre allegation that volunteers aren’t fed is absurd. I actually had to put myself on a diet there. It is true that the paid staff (different from the volunteers- they are hired from the local community) are not paid amazing wages (in my opinion), but all of them applied for the job from outside the organization and accepted those wages, and they certainly aren’t pushed into anything. To be honest, most of the paid staff aren’t even really involved with the workshops or philosophy and see this as a regular job that they leave behind at the end of the day. Volunteers (when they still had volunteers) came and went (including me), and not a single one of us was ever pressured not to leave or to come back after leaving. We were there because we wanted access to the workshops but couldn’t afford them, and the lodging (comfortable) and food was included. I was able to return to take week-long courses there twice, and haven’t heard a peep from them since, which would seem weird behavior for a so-called cult. It is entirely up to me to enroll in a course or not. Honestly, Option is no more a cult than the local church, synagogue, etc. In fact, those organizations preach that they know “the truth”, ask for financial contributions during their meetings, perform ritualistic behaviors, worship deities, and actively recruit members, much more cult-like than Option. Option has none of the markers of a cult, besides maybe the natural bonding that occurs in close-knit communities (but even then, we live far apart and keeping in touch is tough.) In fact, in every Option/Autism Treatment Center workshop, they repeatedly tell participants that this is only one approach/concept, and if it doesn’t work for you, don’t use it. That’s very much the opposite message to what most churches and religions teach. Why aren’t they accused of being cults (which I believe they are)? These hyperbolic statements about the police being "aware of what is going on" and them “finding a way” to have his wife donate her money to them is what convinced me that this person posting here knows he/she is lying. Most people attending Option or volunteering have a car, are out and about in Great Barrington and Sheffield, free to do whatever they want, encouraged to think whatever they want, and welcome to leave whenever they want. I even had a boyfriend who had nothing to do with Option when I was a volunteer (he thought it was nonsense), and I often stayed over at his place in a nearby town. Nobody stopped me or criticized that. What exactly are you alleging the police know is “going on”?

Anyway, I thought I should add my two cents as someone who has actually been there both as a long-term volunteer and for their workshops, which really helped me in times when I needed it. They are, for all intents and purposes, cognitive behavioral therapy sessions. I have seen many people helped by them, and have seen exactly zero people forced into anything or isolated from their loved ones (ludicrous). Also, regarding their autism programs at ATCA, they have never claimed they will cure every child’s autism. They have claimed that some children are so helped by the method that they sometimes are no longer diagnosed on the spectrum later in life. This is true for their success cases, which they, of course, highlight in their marketing for their programs. But for many more, this is a tool and very helpful in dealing with their kids on the spectrum. The playroom approach and positive treatment approach, radical acceptance of a child wherever they are at, seems to me like a very beneficial thing for parents to learn. But again, as they say themselves, *it’s only one approach* and if you don’t like it, don’t do it. I’m convinced that the people posting here have an ulterior motive in tearing down the Option Institute (disgruntled partners, competing autism organizations?) because none of this gels factually with my observations of them over the years. I don’t agree with everything they do (such as paying fairly low wages to their local staff, and how proprietary they are over their material, which is a version of many self-help philosophies and not exactly brand new), but this is absolutely not a cult, based on the identifying features of cults, and conflating it with one is actually harmful to the pursuit of stopping actual cults.

Re: A New Age Speaker Prem Rawat in Asheville, NC

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I just read this post and I am also from Asheville although it is 8 years later in replying to this message. On a meet up that I am a member of I noticed that a friend posted a 'Peace Education Program {PEP} Inner Peace- Food For the Heart Workshop' I immediately did further research on this just because I have learned to do that.. ahem from 'past experience'. What I found was the old maharaja Divine Light mission transformed to Elan Vital now transformed to this organization. Way back in the 70's I helped someone who was struggling in the DLM and she was very glad to receive the help as to this day she wants nothing to do with this group. Does anyone know any more about this new group that the Prem Rawat Foundation runs? Thanks
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