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So, we’ve done a few groups and maybe read a book and seen a video on Youtube, shared phone numbers, got onto the Secret Facebook page and are now hooked in to a network of people who will take a phone call from you when a RealLove emergency arises. What is that you ask? Well, that is when you feel a bit low, sad, depressed, anxious or have demonstrated ‘getting and protecting’ behaviours and you now feel bad so you have to talk-out the situation that happened with someone. This is known in RL as ‘getting loved’. (Yep, a ‘getting’ behaviour – but of course it’s a RealLove behaviour so it’s not really a proper Getting behaviour really). Every time you get like this you ask around for someone to take your call and people will bend over backwards to make sure someone does indeed take your call and help you through your emergency. Of course this is not talking you out of suicide or potentially killing another person – just minor stresses that are made out by RL to be really big deals that NEED their help. ‘Getting Loved’ will of course involve masses of RealLove jargon and loaded language being used, more double-binds and distorted metaphors and analogies plus a whole lot of ‘Greg says….’. It’s a subtle and slow poaching process to gradually bring you over to RealLove thinking and to get you to engage more fully with RealLove. And believe me and all the others on this post and the other on this site who have lost loved ones to RealLove, if they start having calls (secretly or otherwise) they will be absorbed into RealLove very easily and sadly, very quickly for some people. They will be love-bombed and trapped within the culture of RealLove for sure, and RL don’t mind at all how long it will take to fully catch you in their net. They KNOW that the slow little by little approach works wonders to discreetly draw you in (mind control) – your trust, all your secrets, all your fears, all about your life and your situation, your feelings and emotions, your thoughts – everything! They don’t mind how long it takes before you eventually submit and surrender to the ‘INTERVENTION’ because they know that they already have you. So word of caution and warning – stop doing groups and cut off all contact and friendship with RealLove people immediately – this is the ONLY way to protect yourself from cult entrapment. If you are doing still doing groups after 2-3 then you are already in the snare, so it is only a matter of time before you are in the trap itself.

So, you are suppressed from sharing and shedding stress in your life with your loved ones and friends because now you are being ‘loved’ by RealLove– either in the form of a hug, or of being ‘held’, having ‘calls’ etc when you need support. You are probably ‘secretly’ giving your all to RL and withholding all your feelings from your family and friends, and most importantly your partner. RL are gradually creating the well-known cult phenomenon of the ‘Them-And-Us’ divide. This is where there is a stark and contrasting thought and belief system between the cult (Us) and the rest of the world (Them) – with the cult world becoming a sort of safe haven and the rest of the world, your normal life, a big bad ogre that scares you and splashes you with bad stuff every day. You now open up to submitting to being ‘held’ and get over the total embarrassment and stupidity of it as you are gradually coming over to RealLove thinking. Once you submit to this you will be ‘one of Them’ from that moment on. You will have crossed over so to speak. It will not be very long now before you will see this process ‘holding’ as the panacea for everything, and something you will become addicted to wanting more of, what you will wait all week for, and reject all other love in your life for.

When being ‘held’ and nursed like a baby you’ll most likely also receive what is known as a ‘LONG-GAZE STARE’. This is yet another known major well-known cult technique. So while Greg Baer and RealLove will keep saying that people don’t really look into each other’s eyes for long enough etc., they are right to a small degree, but not to the degree that they are utilising. Elsewhere on this site this technique is fully explained (as is the double-bind). What this technique does is to actually hold a long ‘stare’ into your eyes with absolutely no information-sharing between consciousnesses. This is not looking into your soul as a reciprocal action of caring and connection. What is going on here is the shutting down of the mind to think critically, to respond and reflect, to challenge and criticise. And most importantly for RL, your ability to realise what an utterly stupid thing you are submitting to. Long-gaze staring is off-putting, offensive and wrong in every way. The way I have seen this used on myself as well as others is just pathetic and achieves nothing useful whatsoever. We all know that if someone is in shock, distressed, traumatised or having a panic attack that the thing we need to do is to hold their shoulders gently and keep asking them repeatedly to look into your eyes, allowing the person to capture your gaze. This will in a very brief period of time cause the person to almost instantly calm down. We’ve all used it or seen it used with someone in shock. Not just on adults, but on children. And it works! It’s a well-documented phenomena. But it was devised specifically for these purposes, for the very specific reason of shutting the traumatised person’s brain down so that their blood pressure, heart rate and breathing slow down and thus bring them into a healthier state of mind and body. Nothing wrong within this context. However, cults use this technique differently and for more sinister reasons. They want to shut your mind down from questioning things, thinking critically, seeing reality, learning something, challenging the cult in any way or indeed just critically challenging anything, learning something, examining anything etc. Be this from free thought, from getting answers, from seeing the real truth, and about learning that they really are in a cult!

But don’t believe me! I’m just a complete lunatic who is ‘desperate to be loved’ and knows nothing. That’s what I got every time I challenged RealLove – I also retorted back asking that they stop doing that staring rubbish as well. Then I am told ‘you’ve got it all wrong’, ‘this stuff is really helping people’, ‘you don’t understand, this stuff is changing people’s lives’. I have only read a lot of books on cults, including those acclaimed on the subject, and done a lot of reading and research, that’s all! I wouldn’t make a claim like this ignorantly. It is what it is, despite those fooled by it and who are actually believing it is above-board and bonafide. However, I don’t believe the lies that cults tell and I can’t and won’t be manipulated. I will not let this happen to me again. Never. Thankfully, from personal experience I could figure things out for myself as so many techniques were known to me.

So, over time you read more and more books and come to believe what Greg Baer says. That he has got this RealLove stuff channelled from god. All the books were channelled. I’m sorry, but God does not signpost people to one person’s copyright/trademark registered organisation in almost every page. Channelled books DO NOT behave as a marketing tool for the delivery of a service that is a business venture of one man. Seriously!! There’s not a lot of meat in the books and they keep subtly convincing the reader to accept that RealLove and unconditional love are one and the same thing. They are not. RealLove is a set of principles devised by a former eye surgeon called Greg Baer. You enact RealLove entirely on Greg Baer’s principles. Principles ordinarily are designed as a set of rules or values that represent what is desirable for a group/organisation/community helping them to define or determine their perception of rightfulness or wrongfulness in a members’ actions. Thus principles govern our behaviours, thoughts, feelings, actions, attitudes and how they will be given, if given, to whom, when etc. Thus, RealLove principles completely and utterly obliterate any form of unconditional love, just by the nature of them being a set of governing principles. When compared to engaging in any unconditional loving response without the use of any set of principles we are left with that which is authentic, real, natural, spontaneous, genuine, true, actual. When responding in real terms and without a set of principles to abide by you are indeed providing real and genuine unconditional love. When you are responding in RealLove terms, using Baer’s principles to guide and follow you are not providing unconditional love at all – you are thinking before acting, and so in that instant it cannot be unconditional. Unconditional love is not thought about in advance. You will be made to feel total confusion between these concepts though – you will struggle if you stay with RL. You will learn that certain things are supposedly ‘loving’ but deep within your conscience you know they are not loving at all. You will end up doing a lot of very unhealthy things. BE WARNED. The following is Greg Baer’s vile claim:(I have made the distinction myself as I cannot link unconditional love and RL as one and the same thing)

“There is only one kind of love, however, that can fill us up, make us whole, and give us the happiness we all want: unconditional love or RealLove ©(Trademark, Registered)”

“It is unconditional love or RealLove ©(Trademark, Registered) that we all seek, and somehow we recognise that anything other than that kind of love isn’t really love at all – it’s an imitation of the real thing. Unconditional love – RealLove©(Trademark, Registered) – is so different from the kind of love most of us have known all our lives that it deserves both a name and definition of its own”

Yes, this is the gradual manipulation of your mind, thoughts and belief system to wholly ‘believe’ that the real and genuine unconditional love of the universe has been magically discovered as being Greg Baer’s way, self-made laws and principles, and not really the love we all know. Basically, the only imitation love going on in RL is RealLove itself. True unconditional love does not run out and is natural and spontaneous, coming directly from the heart. Once you believe in this tripe you will come to go along with another of Baer’s fanciful ideas: and that is by giving love you run out of it and when you run out you are empty and afraid, so need to get loved by RL. Apparently, the real and genuine unconditional love of the world is what runs out and empties us – yet he also contradicts himself too. You will learn that when you define yourself as ‘empty and afraid’ that you cannot make your own choices and therefore need the help of RealLove to help you to get loved properly. The fact of the matter is that people, all of us, have times when we feel tired, stressed, have a headache, feel sore or in pain, anxious, lacking in energy, hungry etc. – and we might respond by being a bit grumpy or distant. That’s a choice – it does not imply we have no love left inside us to give. It means we have chosen to withhold our love – however, most people find it in their heart to overcome the feeling and be loving regardless of how out of sorts they feel. But this tripe is what you will believe!!

The next thing you might end up doing is signing up the weekly Greg Chat videos. I would rather die the death of a thousand cuts than hear another one of these! These videos use SUGGESTIVE HYPNOSIS and LIGHT TRANCE techniques through which to embed the RealLove ideology. You will slowly be convinced that you NEED to have a RealLove ‘intervention’. PLEASE DON’T – BE WARNED. You might end up signing in to the nightly conference calls where RL people share their dramas of the day, and of how rotten their thoughts and behaviours have been – all so that they can ‘be loved’ by each other, and all the badness made good again. What you really need is to talk it out sensibly with someone who truly knows you. But all RL people need to do in order to function is to hear that their bad actions, thoughts, behaviours, attitudes etc. are completely acceptable and that they are still loved, still adorable, loved to the bones, that they are enough, etc. etc. Just hearing that they are still loved is all they want to hear. No need to work through why they have been a rotten so-and-so today, or talking it through properly etc. I heard a lot of very bad advice during some phone calls that I sat in and heard. Shocking. There are people who need to be under the care of a mental health professional – seriously! And it is not alright to keep blaming everybody else, the rest of the world who are NOT doing RealLove for all their problems, actions, behaviours, feelings etc. This attitude borders on completely stupid. It’s not the RealLove person’s fault that they were nasty to everyone in their life today, no of course not! It’s the fault of everyone in their life NOT doing RealLove who are clearly ‘in pain’, ‘believing the lies’, ‘insane’ etc. and not their own self at all. Crazy!

Now RealLove, as with all cults, another highly distinguishing factor of cults, focuses on childhood. Most therapy DOES NOT focus on the childhood as the problem for everything in our lives. Certainly not in the UK. Therapy uses a lot of different techniques to help you work through things safely and be a whole and empowered person at the conclusion of therapy – if not well before then. RealLove, as with all the other major cults, wants to focus on the childhood events in your life that were negative. Nothing about the happy times as apparently they don’t exist. This is how all cults work. They, the cult, are going to save you and make it all better again. RealLove, as with other cults, focuses on getting your mind-set into a childish focus. All people are told, and this comes from Baer, taht they are only mentally and emotionally 2 or 3 years old. Actually, everybody in the world is. And only RealLove can fix you and make you all properly grown up. RealLove will give you what you missed out on – proper parental love. Once you are in this mind-set and believe it fully you will be able to be manipulated just like a real child of that age. You will want huggies and holds, you will want to be like a baby, you will want to sit on Greg’s lap (male or female) or another coach/daddy and tell them that you love them, call them daddy and hug them like a baby. You would not do this if you weren’t put into this mental state in the first place. You are put into this state slowly by attending groups, watching videos, reading books, listening in on conference calls and engaging with RealLove people. If you keep this up, you too will be sitting on a daddy’s lap and saying you love them! You will reject your own parents and family, distance all your friends and even break up your marriage/relationship. You will do as you are told to do – sorry suggested to do – because your mind-set has changed without your permission. But more disturbingly because you have various things now implanted into your mind that you didn’t know were put there.

The most obvious alteration of beliefs is the planting of the idea that every thing you are doing in your life, every RealLove suggestion, is YOUR OWN IDEA and not theirs. Listen in on a group, a call, a video, and you will hear the words “YOU GET TO CHOOSE” or “WE GET TO CHOOSE” added to most ideas, concepts, advice, suggestions etc. You will hear it over and over and over. But hey, I wasn’t allowing myself to be pulled in so maybe that’s why I picked up on it more than others who seem quite oblivious to it. That idea that you yourself are choosing everything that is happening in your life, even doing RealLove, is supplanted there. Not one person goes against whatever is suggested, where these words are attached. There are many other suggestions – but this is the most obvious. So not only do you have a childlike mind-set which is exploitable, but your mind has been manipulated to the point of exploiting your ability to form your own decisions. If people in RealLove had done any form of mental health and psychological therapy they might notice more what is going on around them, but they haven’t and Greg Baer clearly emphasises that professional psychological help does not work and is useless – because apparently it didn’t work for him, he of course cured himself with RealLove. Of course, Greg’s story is very flawed and reading several of his books and seeing him on video it does become clear that he demonstrates the typcial psychopathic and narcissistic tendencies that all other cult leaders past and present display. Many of the people who worked closely with him in the early years of RealLove have left him and state that RL has steered in the wrong direction. Very clearly IT IS NOT LIFE COACHING. That is a very different thing. Despite my asking on several occasions where all the healthy healed people were it turns out that there aren’t any. They are all still doing RealLove, and probably will be for life (unless they see the light and get out) because it is a cult and Greg Baer needs a lot of children to worship him and give him their money for this magic ‘unconditional love’ which he is the ONLY PERSON IN THE WHOLE WORLD WHO POSSESSES.

And there’s more…………… If you are this far in, there is very little hope of you getting out, especially if you have been keeping your connection to RealLove a secret from all the people worried that it was a cult you were getting yourself into. You will have no one to help you see the light if you have cut everyone off and out of your life. This is what cults do. Once you cut everyone off, cults can move in and pull you further and further in to their web because you have no one in your life to stop this from happening. PLEASE DON’T ALLOW YOURSELF TO GET THIS FAR.

So, if you have someone in your family that has tried RealLove and you have convinced them to stop, and they say that they have. Follow it up regularly, to check that they aren’t still engaged. Arrange things on group night so that you KNOW that they are not attending the group. Call them up during the telephone conference times. Keep trying to ensure that they have not just gone off and continued anyway, secretly. Find a way of having deep meaningful conversations, heart-to-hearts with them and really help them with what is troubling them in their life. ANYTHING is better than them hooking up with a cult organisation – especially this one. People on this site can attest this!!!

.....and there's just a little bit more.....

I am afraid if I give specifics, this information will be out and will jeopardise the safety of the people she has exploited. Can you please message me, if you have gone through the process yourself how it works.

It is alleged that Uma has an herbal company called "Aranya" (see quotation below).

* Is Uma Inder trained to select, purchase and prescribe herbs?

* If she sells herbs, are the sources of her herbs from reputable sources?


If you are an Uma Inder disciple,

A Are you free to take charge of your own
medications, your own diet?

B Can you keep those decisions private?

Or -- if you are an Uma Inder disciple,

Does Uma Inder question you about your diet?

Does Uma Inder demand that you disclose confidential information about your health status and psychological history?

Has Uma Inder told you in writing that what you say to her she will keep confidential?

Has what you tell her in private kept confidential?

Does Uma Inder require you to follow her dietary advice

Does Uma Inder require you to abandon your own medical advisors

Does Uma Inder require you to abandon medications prescribed for you by health care advisors other than her, or those recommended by her?

Are you required or pressured to purchase Uma Inder products?

Are you free to continue using other products or must you purchase and use Uma Inder products to the exclusion of others?

Are you scolded or punished if your health does not meet Uma Inder's standards?

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In addition, ex-students claim to have been exploited by Uma Inder, compelled to devote their time and money strictly for Umaa’s benefit, under the guise of it being “all for [them].” These ex-members state, for example, that they worked to organize yoga retreats, take care of her property, and run her herbal company called ‘Aranya’, all for no compensation of any kind in return except for “spending time with [Umaa Inder]” and under the threat of mental and emotional violence if they did not comply in order to stay connected to the group.

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Very interesting book. I have been reading her posts on her blog and lots of interesting new information.

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Here latest article has news about sexual abuse in a Pema Chodron group
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Isn't there a quote about the fearful building walls?

You now need to sign a form in triplicate to visit the ashram at all, even for their open day free events. Complete with photo. If your name's not on the list, you ain't getting in.

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This quotation from Cults Inside Out refers to an important feature
that defines cults as opposed to other religious groups:

Emotional Control.

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Conway and Siegelman write,

"Because as human beings, beyond all differences of faith and culture, our emotions are our most important resource, our most complex and fully integrated and universal communication capacity.

They may also be our most accurate monitor of personal morality - of what is right and wrong for each of us as individuals -- and the fairness of our conduct in relation to one another.

When at that most intimate level the wisdom of our feelings is stilled, distorted, or thrown into confusion, our greatest strength may quickly be turned into our greatest vulnerability.

Conway and Siegelman, Holy Terror: The Fundamentalist War on America's Freedoms In Religion, Politics and Our Private Lives. page 216

Corboy note: Cpnway and Siegelman were concerned about Chrsistian Fundamentalism.

It would be interesting to apply their insights to what we have learned of Vajaryana teachings and meditation techniques.

A further remark from Cults Inside Out, page 162 -3.

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(Conway and Siegelman explain that such (cultic) emotional control
is a achieved through "the reduction of individual response to basic emotions such as love, guilt, fear, anger, hatred, etc."

This is accomplished "by means of suggestion" through "the indirect use of cues, code words, symbols, images and myths". For example, Bible based groups may use the images of Jesus and Satan to emotionally manipulate members....

This means of manipulation allows its practitioners to assign any action or feeling they perceive as negative or challenging to their authority to the category of "satanic" or "demonic" while simultaneously using the image of Jesus or God as a facade for their authority. Within this box, whenever disobedience occurs or doubts surface, they are consigned to the devil or dark forces. Obedience to the leadership is correspondingly characterized as compliance with the will of God and heavenly authority.

So, let us transfer Conway and Siegelman's insights from abusive Christianity to examine what goes on in Vajrayana Buddhism -- which includes Chogyam Trungpa and Pema Chodron's Kagyu/Shambhala sect.


Corboy is going to take the quotation cited above and replace Christian terminology with Vajaryana terminology.

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(Conway and Siegelman explain that such (cultic) emotional control
is a achieved through "the reduction of individual response to basic emotions such as love, guilt, fear, anger, hatred, etc."

(Does this remind anyone of the meditation exercises Trungpa and the Shambhala instructors reportedly taught practitioners? The common Buddhist description of anger as a mind poison can easily be used to invalidate this very important domain of emotion. )

This is accomplished "by means of suggestion" through "the indirect use of cues, (ritual gestures, incense, prostration) code words (Tibetan terms and language, mantras and vajra vows), symbols (Tibetan Buddhism is filled with symbols - thunderbolts, skull bowls, thighbone trumpets, rosaries made from various gems), images (copulating male and female deities, wrathful deities, monstrous dharma protectors), detailed teachings about the hell realms, and myths" (You will be attacked by demons and or go to hell or endure horrid rebirths if you criticize or doubt your teacher, abandon dharma practice or warn the outside world that your teacher is abusing money, sex and power.)
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For example, *(Vajrayana sects) may use the images of the (Shambhala King) and (Dorje Shugden) to emotionally manipulate members....


This means of manipulation allows its practitioners to assign any action or feeling they perceive as negative or challenging to their authority to the category of "satanic" or "demonic" while simultaneously using the (need to bring Buddha dharma to the whole world) or (the tantric guru) as a facade for their authority.

Within this box, whenever disobedience occurs or doubts surface, they are consigned to the practitioners deluded mind, negativity or demonic attack on practitioners of the True Dharma. or dark forces.

Obedience to the vajra gurus, lamas, rinpoches, is correspondingly characterized as bodhichitta, loyalty to one's vows and guarantees good rebirth and acclerates arrival of the Kingdom of Shambhala and conversion of all beings to the Dharma.

http://pairadocks.blogspot.com/2018/03/toshs-social-psychology-of-social.html

To quote The Who:

Meet the new Boss (Trungpa, Shambhala) (Doubters and dropouts accumulate bad karma and go to Vajra hell and multiple lifetimes of hellish rebirths)

Same as the old Boss (God sends doubters and dropouts to hell)

A famed lecture from 30 years ago with a lot of research- and psych-ed-grounded commentary.

http://pairadocks.blogspot.com/2018/03/psychiatric-casualties-of-thought.html

Corboy, I don't understand a few things about the "indoctrination" methods in Tibetan Buddhism. For example, you mention the instilling of fears of demons, Vajra Hell, and the like. Why would anyone believe this? Why would anyone coming from an atheistic background, or a Christian background that they had rejected, take any of this on? That makes no sense to me.

Then, there's the business of altars. Supposedly, a "good" practitioner is supposed to set up an altar at home, and spend money on various furnishings for it. Again--why would someone do this, other than perhaps a fascination for the exotic, and a fair amount of disposable income to indulge that fascination with? Many students don't, in fact, have money to buy things at their local Tibetan shop, or over the internet, through vendors advertised in Dharma mags. I always found it ironic, that magazines devoted to spreading the Buddha's anti-materialist gospel are full of pages of advertising pushing products.

I've never had an altar, and never believed in any kind of hell or demons. It's hard for me to fathom or to believe that anyone who rejected deities, angels and devils in Christianity would eagerly rush to embrace the same, in TB. Do you have any insights on that?

We need someone to put up a book review of the "Double Mirror" book, if there isn't already one posted, somewhere. That would be informative.

Misstyk wrote:

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Why would anyone coming from an atheistic background, or a Christian background that they had rejected, take any of this on? That makes no sense to me.

I was referring to coercive Christianity and did a compare and contrast instillation in abusive Christian groups vs what I have seen described in memoirs written by students of Tibetan Buddhism.


I mentioned vajra hell because a student of Chogyam Trungpa, Stephen Butterfield mentioned that he and the other students were taught about vajra hell and expected to take it seriously.

(The Double Mirror by Stephen Butterfield)

Butterfield wrote that he got into trouble when, at a party, he jokingly made a toast to vajra hell.

Demon protectors of the dharma were mentioned in Buddha From Brooklyn by Martha Sherrill - that book described the sangha that formed around Jetsunma Akhon Lamo.

Misstyk wrote:

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We need someone to put up a book review of the "Double Mirror" book, if there isn't already one posted, somewhere. That would be informative.

That's right. This post will give a framework for me to do exactly that.

In his book Turtle Feet: The Making and Unmaking of a Buddhist Monk, Nikolai Grozni, who spent several years in Dharamsala as a Gelukpa monk and studied
at the Buddhist Institute of Dialectics in the 1990s, tells that in the curriculum there was a class on the Hell Realms.

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Some weeks passed and Tsar and I established a routine. We'd set the
alarm clock for seven-thirty, intending to get an early start and arrive at the
Library of Xbetan Works and Archives in time for the eight o'clock Introduction
to Buddhist Hells class, which we were both mildly curious about,
and every morning we'd wake up at half-past nine, with neither of us having
any recollection of an alarm going off at any point.

Turtle Feet, page 122

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Vajra hell is what happens to those who reject their teacher or
try to leave the Vajrayana. Violating samaya, perverting the teach-
ings, or using them to achieve the ambitions of ego were serious
transgressions, but these could be atoned by confession and renewed
commitment as long as we did not reject our bond with the guru.
Trungpa described Vajra hell as a state of subtle, continuous emo-
tional pain, much worse than divorce.

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vertly displayed skepticism might be a barrier to entering the
Vajrayana. One Seminarian drank a toast to Vajra hell at a party,
was reported to the staff, and found himself questioned very closely
before they would allow him to proceed. Parties always included
obligatory toasts to the Vidyadhara and the Regent, accompanied
by patented devotional speeches that invited parody, but to parody
them deliberately was a sure mark of a bad attitude. I told my inter-
viewer that if I had cause to leave the organization I would do so,
and I did not believe the furies of Vajra hell would offer me any-
thing to compare with the pain of divorce.

This display of inde-
pendence made me a doubtful candidate, and I had to pass a second
interview.

Of course, you ask yourself why you want to take transmission
at all, but the momentum of the process pushes you further and
further into it. Transmission was the gateway to the next phase.
Why come all that distance only to chicken out on the threshold
of the real stuff? Everything before Vajrayana was treated as a mere
prelude to driving the supreme vehicle, the top-of-the-line magic
carpet.

The alternative to becoming a sadhaka was to remain a
“lowly shamatha student,” as one Hinayanist described herself.
Would you elect to remain a peon forever when given a chance to
join the aristocracy? Besides, I was desperate to know what went
on in those little rooms with the drums and bells. I wanted to do
the secret hand gestures, read the secret books, and be on the same
level as the gait-of-power strutters, and if Vajrayana was a dan-
gerous drug, I wanted a hit.

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ig Deal. We vowed to keep silent about what we learned, we had
to prostrate to the master and supplicate him on our knees with
palms joined in order to receive teachings, we sat up all night wait-
ing for transmission, and finally, in a haunted, weird, colorful,
comic-book atmosphere lit by the vague rose-gray of early dawn,
we stood in line, exhausted, while Trungpa pressed his brass vajra
on our foreheads and claimed us for the rest of this and all future
lives.

I wanted to ask how practice could be simultaneously “no big
deal” yet a big enough deal to merit all these incredible ceremonies,
and a sentence in Vajra hell if you stopped.

I wanted to ask why
the whole mandala appeared to be organized around spiritual mate-
rialism, when one ofTrungpa’s most widely read books warned us
against it; what brass vajras pressed on your head, secret gestures,
bells, drums, and visualized dancing cartoon characters had to do
with enlightenment; and whether the whole lecture on Vajra hell
was really a massive indoctrination to prevent students from leav-
ing or decreasing the value of the product by pirating the company
logo.

These were among the many questions I never raised pub-
licly, and most of them were never answered. Within the Vajra-
dhatu structure, there was no way anyone could press issues like
this and get real answers. You would either be expelled as an obstruc-
tion, or at best would be met with a gentle and sympathetic silence
that referred you back to practice. Such deep skepticism was defined
as neurosis; and you began to wonder if that might not be exactly
what it was after all.

The Move (also known as The Move of the Spirit or Move of God) is the unofficial name of a non-denominational charismatic Christian group that was started in the 1960s in Florida by Sam Fife, a former Baptist preacher.

In his ministry in the early 1960s, Sam Fife used elements of charismatic ministry, first at his church in New Orleans, then in his prayer group in Miami, Florida. He was a former Baptist preacher and his theology has been related to the Body of Christ movement.

I just posted asking about this group. I spent time down at a farm in georgia that was apart of this group.

The new Web address is:

www.TealSwanExposed.com

Welcome to CEI message board, SerenaSteinbeck.



2005 There are some earlier discussions of this group on the message board.

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2010

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2010

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Fugitive cult leader Keith Raniere arranged for women in his elite group to be branded - they did not expect this and were horrified.

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Keith Raniere is now a fugitive, hiding in Mexico.

Teal Swan appears to have even greater control over her followers than Raniere - they are branding themselves willingly.

When followers willingly brand themselves in loyalty to a cult leader, they trap themselves yet further.

Here are a few subjects listed on the Teal Swan Exposed website.

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Teal Swan says she can’t handle all things macabre due to alleged satanic ritual abuse, but it’s sprinkled throughout her media Teal Swan describes herself as a “international spiritual luminary”, “self-help expert” , “therapist” and “expertise celebrity”, specializing in trauma recovery. Why then, does dark, depressing, gruesome, and even violent imagery appear frequently in her blogs and videos (without even adding content warnings)? Read more…

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Teal Swan caught lying about placing 4th for a skiing competition within a year of escaping from alleged severe mental and physical torture. Teal Swan claims that at age 19, she escaped severe physical and mental torture during Spring of 2003 (very questionable), and was training for 9.5 hours everyday (lie). Read more…

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Teal has a prominent tattoo of an alchemical symbol on her upper left arm. It has been observed that a number of Teal’s followers have exactly the same tattoo. The followers who bear the copycat tattoo, tend to be those who are the most devoted to Teal and her “tribe”. Read more…

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Anyone who uses social media to present themselves as a role model to followers has a
responsibility to use words and behavior that are life affirming, not an encouragement to harm self and others.

Suicide is a permanent answer to temporary extremes of emotion.

Authoritarian leaders get control over their followers, not so much by enchanting them when they first arrive, but surrounding new disciples with older disciples who become mentors, role models
and friends.

All it takes is for Teal to show pictures of herself with her brand. These pix
go viral on social media shared among Teals followers -- and those curious about Teal.

All it takes is for ultra loyal followers to brand themselves and this sets up pressure for other disciples to emulate that same behavior. As more and more people brand themselves, it seems normal, even admirable.

The scary thing is that anything can come to seem normal, even suicide.

Look what happens in 'suicide clusters' in some communities.

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This is why so many are worried about Teal's reported comments on suicide -
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