I advise a bit of caution. Many trance operators lose their power over us once we learn about the commonly used techniques of hypnosis.
However, I encountered one person who still affected me even after I learned that he was a skilled trance technician. I will tell that story later.
On this page, Sahara71 wrote:
Be cautious. Some trance operators are highly skilled and can zap even
the most knowledgeable observer.
In the early 2000s I went to a lecture by a person who was a celebrated leader of the human potential movement. He told a lengthy story, supposedly about
his own spiritual journey, a story filled with travels here and there, and stories of ghastly betrayals and people going insane. Betrayals he committed, betrayals by his own spiritual guru.
Everyone around me was enthralled by this man, who came across as quite cold.
I sat there feeling a mixture of moral revulsion and profound self doubt.
This left me in a state of anguished obsession that haunted me for years. Because of this experience, I got involved in discussions on this message board.
Several years later, during discussions about Byron Katie, One Taste (Nicole Daedone) and Cryogenics, two remarkable persons joined the message board -
The Anticult
[forum.culteducation.com]
and
Walter1963
[forum.culteducation.com]
TA and Walter taught us about neurolinguistic programming - a method of highly sophisticated trance induction. These methods utilize story telling, gestures, touch and story telling that includes disruptions of Aristotelian logic and violations of grammar.
The Anticult taught us about the Handshake Method of trance induction.
The trick is to win trust, get people to pay attention to you, induce a light trance often using a subtle shock method, then tell stories within stories that bypass critical thinking and speak directly to the more primitive part of our minds which utilize black and white thinking and equate wish with result, metaphor with reality.
Magical thinking.
The Beatles lyric, I am you and you are me is an example of such language.
In this state of mind, boundaries blur and vanish.
This state can be labelled non dual realization -- and exploited in the hands of the wrong person.
This is the state of mind which we all revert to when shocked, put into trance or under massive stress, is characteristic of very early childhood.
In such a state, we are vulnerable. Doesn't matter if you are a street smart genius, you can still regress to this state of mind if life hits you hard enough.
Or you encounter a trance technician who has no ethics.
Just perfect for an unethical person to exploit.
If we have acquired critical thinking, we can remain aware that I am I and you are you and that I am NOT you, and you are NOT me. Critical thinking supports distinctions and boundaries. It sets safeguards against unethical perpetrators.
I then understood that X had utilized non consensual trance induction through his story telling. I also knew he'd been unethical by not telling us beforehand
what he was going to do.
Trance Technician X arrived in town to give another lecture. Knowing what he was, I went to that lecture armed with knowledge thanks to The Anticult and Walter1963.
Many of us began to fall asleep fifteen minutes after X began his lecture.
(That lecture was a different format from the first one I had attended. In this second lecture, X had a dialogue partner, making this a complex induction format. X and his dialogue partner remained alert throughout this lecture.
Meanwhile, audience members were zonked out. One guy was snoring loudly, his head tilted back.
A lady in the front row opposite X was fast asleep, crumpled up, her notebook
sliding from her hand to the floor.
Meanwhile, I was falling asleep, despite my full knowledge that X was doing trance induction on us. I could not take coherent notes.
I had to flee the room. As soon as I did so I was wide awake.
So be cautious.
Some unethical trance technicians can still get through to a sensitive person, even when that person has background knowledge.
However, I encountered one person who still affected me even after I learned that he was a skilled trance technician. I will tell that story later.
On this page, Sahara71 wrote:
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Alonzo and Happytown,
I watched the staring eyes video of Shri Moojijiji Baba Poo, and I survived unharmed! I think that once you know the methods and aims of trance material such as this, it doesn't effect you anymore?
I just thought that Moo looked silly- his eyes were not appealing at all and the whole thing seemed pointless and boring.
I don't know if other people have the this same experience, once they educate themselves about trance induction?
Be cautious. Some trance operators are highly skilled and can zap even
the most knowledgeable observer.
In the early 2000s I went to a lecture by a person who was a celebrated leader of the human potential movement. He told a lengthy story, supposedly about
his own spiritual journey, a story filled with travels here and there, and stories of ghastly betrayals and people going insane. Betrayals he committed, betrayals by his own spiritual guru.
Everyone around me was enthralled by this man, who came across as quite cold.
I sat there feeling a mixture of moral revulsion and profound self doubt.
This left me in a state of anguished obsession that haunted me for years. Because of this experience, I got involved in discussions on this message board.
Several years later, during discussions about Byron Katie, One Taste (Nicole Daedone) and Cryogenics, two remarkable persons joined the message board -
The Anticult
[forum.culteducation.com]
and
Walter1963
[forum.culteducation.com]
TA and Walter taught us about neurolinguistic programming - a method of highly sophisticated trance induction. These methods utilize story telling, gestures, touch and story telling that includes disruptions of Aristotelian logic and violations of grammar.
The Anticult taught us about the Handshake Method of trance induction.
The trick is to win trust, get people to pay attention to you, induce a light trance often using a subtle shock method, then tell stories within stories that bypass critical thinking and speak directly to the more primitive part of our minds which utilize black and white thinking and equate wish with result, metaphor with reality.
Magical thinking.
The Beatles lyric, I am you and you are me is an example of such language.
In this state of mind, boundaries blur and vanish.
This state can be labelled non dual realization -- and exploited in the hands of the wrong person.
This is the state of mind which we all revert to when shocked, put into trance or under massive stress, is characteristic of very early childhood.
In such a state, we are vulnerable. Doesn't matter if you are a street smart genius, you can still regress to this state of mind if life hits you hard enough.
Or you encounter a trance technician who has no ethics.
Just perfect for an unethical person to exploit.
If we have acquired critical thinking, we can remain aware that I am I and you are you and that I am NOT you, and you are NOT me. Critical thinking supports distinctions and boundaries. It sets safeguards against unethical perpetrators.
I then understood that X had utilized non consensual trance induction through his story telling. I also knew he'd been unethical by not telling us beforehand
what he was going to do.
Trance Technician X arrived in town to give another lecture. Knowing what he was, I went to that lecture armed with knowledge thanks to The Anticult and Walter1963.
Many of us began to fall asleep fifteen minutes after X began his lecture.
(That lecture was a different format from the first one I had attended. In this second lecture, X had a dialogue partner, making this a complex induction format. X and his dialogue partner remained alert throughout this lecture.
Meanwhile, audience members were zonked out. One guy was snoring loudly, his head tilted back.
A lady in the front row opposite X was fast asleep, crumpled up, her notebook
sliding from her hand to the floor.
Meanwhile, I was falling asleep, despite my full knowledge that X was doing trance induction on us. I could not take coherent notes.
I had to flee the room. As soon as I did so I was wide awake.
So be cautious.
Some unethical trance technicians can still get through to a sensitive person, even when that person has background knowledge.