I don't agree that conscious malicious intent is an indicator.
I'm sure they believe in what they're doing. I'm sure they believe it completely.
As rrmoderator stated, the question is not intent but behavior. And a lack of accountability for that behavior.
Some ethics issues I have read that may be more or less controversial:
- I think Mooji started with good intentions but has become corrupted by the fame, power, access to vulnerable people, and access to money...after seeing a crowd of people reaching out to touch is garments, people falling at his feet and carrying on, I knew things were really done. This was not freedom but a cultural movement, a cult of sorts. (Nsh999)
- In what other area would a sixty year old man leaving his partner for a much younger woman be accepted as being for her own good because she was too attached? It's ludricous. It'S weird how it seemed acceptable. Bringinthecat
- laughter is so effective as a manipulative and rhetoric device, (sadgame)
- Moo’s acceptance of personal devotion to him is in stark contrast to the impersonal content of his teaching and is hypocritical in that any personal story is cast aside as an obstacle to the realization of truth, except for the story of his personal realization of this ultimate truth and his embodiment of it. I think, if you meet the buddha on the road, kill him. (Sadgame)
- They claim that they are at the peak of spiritual conciousness and yet they show utter contempt for the average person. They show no humility and don't respect anyone elses right to be unique. (Yam)
-"Somehow he put us in direct competition with each to fight for his acknowledgemnet and most of us had no idea that thats what we were doing. I did not realize this until I left." From gururating.org (which is no longer under cyberattack I hear)
- he lacks humility, cannot just say that he is sorry for saying something that hurt peoples feelings (sadgame)
- Firstly Moo likes to control peoples lives, down to who they have sex with with. And because of this there are people going around to see who is sleeping with who. (Constantin)
- Furthermore Moo has two faces, one in satsang, where he is lovely and friendly, and then there is the other guy who is very bad tempered and can be callus, rough and will talk behind your back. (Constantin)
- It's so much Mooji's fiefdom, people are in and out dependent on whether he likes their "energy". (Yam)
- I don't believe Mooji should deny peoples persons or reality altogether. Sure ultimately we are God, but relatively we still need to eat, we still need relationships, we need shelter. So he needs to address that. This is why so many people have breakdowns once they leave Monte Sahaja. (Applejuice, a Mooji supporter)
- 1. Allowing people to worship him
2. His teaching style
3. Not speaking on worldly events
4. Not taking mental health seriously enough
(Applejuice)
- Is it healthy to have no other peers? No, I agree. (Applejuice)
- It also probably has corporate bylaws and a board. My guess is that Moo runs that too without any meaningful accountability. Again, someone that becomes an object of worship who is also a dictator would fit the criteria associated with a destructive cult. (rrmoderator)
- I noticed a video I posted about earlier which showed a lieutenant being publicly shamed has been removed. (Happytown)
- Moo and one prominent follower where both wanting to F^(&^** the same woman.
So in the end Moo simply kicked the guy out. Since reading these long threads memories come back to me from those first days at Sahaja. (Constantin)
- Then yes I have witnessed public shaming many times. (Constantin)
- Then: the safety issue is also true. Big red flags here. Moo follows no laws on the land and the whole thing is basically illegal, but because of the usual ass licking via the Mayor this is allowed for now. (Constantin)
- And then Samadhi,
I knew her myself and we were friends.She broke contact after she vanished. And the way it happened reflected badly on him and sahaja and this is why there is so much secrecy around it. What ever might put moo in ditch is always pushed aside. (Constantin)
- And then lets himself be celebrated as the god in person. (Constantin)
- One reason for my Anonymity here is the fear of back-lash. I have seen over the years that other people went through.
One man with family was kicked out for speaking out. He had a family and was working on the land to support his children. (Constantin)
- As if he was implying Moo was Jesus. Moo just smiled at him and tried to remain silent and then he did this thing where he be quiet for about 30 seconds or so and then he got up and left. I realized then that most people there considered him to be the return of Jesus. (Startingover)
- I felt bad for (the follower) because I could tell that he was lost but kept trying to pretend that he had it figured out. He was even willing to break up with his girlfriend there over Moo. I think Moo intentionally divided them. (Startingover)
- Backlash is about being kicked out and losing all the friends. Being shamed and financial loss. Also knowing that all these people would banish me with out going into a proper dialog. (Constantin)
And lastly the fact that, in my opinion, a large portion of this thread is full of obfuscation, mind-numbing repetition and dilution. In August there were 7 pages. In November there are 50, and yet very little new information has been added. These more specific things appeared when Applejuice unintentionally named and revealed the internal group narrative about one ex-devotee.
I'm sure they believe in what they're doing. I'm sure they believe it completely.
As rrmoderator stated, the question is not intent but behavior. And a lack of accountability for that behavior.
Some ethics issues I have read that may be more or less controversial:
- I think Mooji started with good intentions but has become corrupted by the fame, power, access to vulnerable people, and access to money...after seeing a crowd of people reaching out to touch is garments, people falling at his feet and carrying on, I knew things were really done. This was not freedom but a cultural movement, a cult of sorts. (Nsh999)
- In what other area would a sixty year old man leaving his partner for a much younger woman be accepted as being for her own good because she was too attached? It's ludricous. It'S weird how it seemed acceptable. Bringinthecat
- laughter is so effective as a manipulative and rhetoric device, (sadgame)
- Moo’s acceptance of personal devotion to him is in stark contrast to the impersonal content of his teaching and is hypocritical in that any personal story is cast aside as an obstacle to the realization of truth, except for the story of his personal realization of this ultimate truth and his embodiment of it. I think, if you meet the buddha on the road, kill him. (Sadgame)
- They claim that they are at the peak of spiritual conciousness and yet they show utter contempt for the average person. They show no humility and don't respect anyone elses right to be unique. (Yam)
-"Somehow he put us in direct competition with each to fight for his acknowledgemnet and most of us had no idea that thats what we were doing. I did not realize this until I left." From gururating.org (which is no longer under cyberattack I hear)
- he lacks humility, cannot just say that he is sorry for saying something that hurt peoples feelings (sadgame)
- Firstly Moo likes to control peoples lives, down to who they have sex with with. And because of this there are people going around to see who is sleeping with who. (Constantin)
- Furthermore Moo has two faces, one in satsang, where he is lovely and friendly, and then there is the other guy who is very bad tempered and can be callus, rough and will talk behind your back. (Constantin)
- It's so much Mooji's fiefdom, people are in and out dependent on whether he likes their "energy". (Yam)
- I don't believe Mooji should deny peoples persons or reality altogether. Sure ultimately we are God, but relatively we still need to eat, we still need relationships, we need shelter. So he needs to address that. This is why so many people have breakdowns once they leave Monte Sahaja. (Applejuice, a Mooji supporter)
- 1. Allowing people to worship him
2. His teaching style
3. Not speaking on worldly events
4. Not taking mental health seriously enough
(Applejuice)
- Is it healthy to have no other peers? No, I agree. (Applejuice)
- It also probably has corporate bylaws and a board. My guess is that Moo runs that too without any meaningful accountability. Again, someone that becomes an object of worship who is also a dictator would fit the criteria associated with a destructive cult. (rrmoderator)
- I noticed a video I posted about earlier which showed a lieutenant being publicly shamed has been removed. (Happytown)
- Moo and one prominent follower where both wanting to F^(&^** the same woman.
So in the end Moo simply kicked the guy out. Since reading these long threads memories come back to me from those first days at Sahaja. (Constantin)
- Then yes I have witnessed public shaming many times. (Constantin)
- Then: the safety issue is also true. Big red flags here. Moo follows no laws on the land and the whole thing is basically illegal, but because of the usual ass licking via the Mayor this is allowed for now. (Constantin)
- And then Samadhi,
I knew her myself and we were friends.She broke contact after she vanished. And the way it happened reflected badly on him and sahaja and this is why there is so much secrecy around it. What ever might put moo in ditch is always pushed aside. (Constantin)
- And then lets himself be celebrated as the god in person. (Constantin)
- One reason for my Anonymity here is the fear of back-lash. I have seen over the years that other people went through.
One man with family was kicked out for speaking out. He had a family and was working on the land to support his children. (Constantin)
- As if he was implying Moo was Jesus. Moo just smiled at him and tried to remain silent and then he did this thing where he be quiet for about 30 seconds or so and then he got up and left. I realized then that most people there considered him to be the return of Jesus. (Startingover)
- I felt bad for (the follower) because I could tell that he was lost but kept trying to pretend that he had it figured out. He was even willing to break up with his girlfriend there over Moo. I think Moo intentionally divided them. (Startingover)
- Backlash is about being kicked out and losing all the friends. Being shamed and financial loss. Also knowing that all these people would banish me with out going into a proper dialog. (Constantin)
And lastly the fact that, in my opinion, a large portion of this thread is full of obfuscation, mind-numbing repetition and dilution. In August there were 7 pages. In November there are 50, and yet very little new information has been added. These more specific things appeared when Applejuice unintentionally named and revealed the internal group narrative about one ex-devotee.