Hi,
Again, I understand, and in many ways agree with what you say, but again the context is important to understand when looking at PY’s behaviour.
If it’s OK I’ll just pick out a couple of examples:
“Rinpoche NEVER invited me to become a nun, he just said the obvious which was that there is a fast track and a not so fast track.”
Him getting you to believe there is a fast track and not so fast track WAS his way of inviting you (manipulating you) into becoming a nun.
It’s the sales pitch I’ve seen him use on all his students.
I’m also pretty sure he let you know in many other indirect ways that the option was available to you. I’ve seen him do that too.
This is not Buddhist.
Becoming part of a monastic order in the belief that it’s a fast track to enlightenment is, in all religions with monastic traditions, recognised to be the worst possible reason to do it.
The person who believes this will always be looking to profit from their practice.
You’re on the fast-track, right? You’re owed the big pay off!
Because of this, they will seek to force enlightenment from their practice, and thereby, at some stage, usually very fast, be corrupted. It’s guaranteed.
It also creates a lot of jealousy, and feelings of superiority, along the way.
The bottom line reality is: Giving someone the false belief that they can expect enlightenment “quicker” by being a nun or monk, sets them up to never achieve enlightenment.
Ask around if you don’t believe me.
Furthermore: When you look objectively at PY’s senior students, who are supposedly monks and nuns, would you honestly say they act like seekers who have been on a super effective fast-track program for several years?
When I compare his long-term students with those of a real Lama like Tsultrim Allione, the difference is staggering.
So, how realistic was his statement of “the obvious”?
The way he made you think “the obvious” was obviously true is precisely the way he gets people to not actually think about things.
As for the Rinpoche thing, well Sifu is a martial arts term and he was mainly teaching buddhism so no point going by a martial arts term.
He was given Lamas robes, so why doesn’t he stick with Lama when teaching Buddhism?
The reality is: he allows people to believe they are being respectful, when in fact he knows very well they are disrespecting the wider tradition. This isolates them.
Even you had to justify why you used the term, because we all know he hasn’t earned it. When amongst other Buddhists, even this seemingly small habit will help isolate someone.
Also key question: Why does he feel the need to always upgrade his titles?
I’ve seen him go through many over the years.
As for this Abuse thing again, I really dissagree. I wrote about ONE incident in 15 years and you have chosen to repeat that many times.
You also mentioned him shouting at you several times ... in fact, you witnessed him shouting so often that you said you thought it was “his thing”.
Once a person has scared you enough, they don’t need to go full-on anymore. They just need to raise their voice a bit, and they get total submission.
This is objective fact.
And, there’s the fact he treats everyone like this, shouting at them or being aggressive in other ways, until they break, or leave.
If they stay, then he continues doing it to them, for years.
Can you really believe all his students are in such a bad way that they all need this “cruel to be kind” treatment, for years on end?
And at the same time you can believe Peter Young is an effective teacher?
Damn straight I give myself credit for being strong, but what i'm saying is that he gave me the tools to do that. That is the point of a teacher.
Good.
I think my point is: you would have got better tools elsewhere; and the tools you did get, truly didn’t need the aggression involved.
The aggression was purely there to program you.
You avoided giving your life up to that programming, but many other people have got caught.
They have given up their lives to follow him, and give all their money to him.
Go back and see them to confirm it for youself.
There also remain the key objective questions:
- Why do Palyul and Nyingma refuse to acknowledge him?
- How is it that in a heavily hierarchical structure like Tibetan Buddhism, Peter Young runs several centres, generating serious income, with absolutely zero oversight or input from anyone else at all?
Nobody runs a religion like that.
Again, I understand, and in many ways agree with what you say, but again the context is important to understand when looking at PY’s behaviour.
If it’s OK I’ll just pick out a couple of examples:
“Rinpoche NEVER invited me to become a nun, he just said the obvious which was that there is a fast track and a not so fast track.”
Him getting you to believe there is a fast track and not so fast track WAS his way of inviting you (manipulating you) into becoming a nun.
It’s the sales pitch I’ve seen him use on all his students.
I’m also pretty sure he let you know in many other indirect ways that the option was available to you. I’ve seen him do that too.
This is not Buddhist.
Becoming part of a monastic order in the belief that it’s a fast track to enlightenment is, in all religions with monastic traditions, recognised to be the worst possible reason to do it.
The person who believes this will always be looking to profit from their practice.
You’re on the fast-track, right? You’re owed the big pay off!
Because of this, they will seek to force enlightenment from their practice, and thereby, at some stage, usually very fast, be corrupted. It’s guaranteed.
It also creates a lot of jealousy, and feelings of superiority, along the way.
The bottom line reality is: Giving someone the false belief that they can expect enlightenment “quicker” by being a nun or monk, sets them up to never achieve enlightenment.
Ask around if you don’t believe me.
Furthermore: When you look objectively at PY’s senior students, who are supposedly monks and nuns, would you honestly say they act like seekers who have been on a super effective fast-track program for several years?
When I compare his long-term students with those of a real Lama like Tsultrim Allione, the difference is staggering.
So, how realistic was his statement of “the obvious”?
The way he made you think “the obvious” was obviously true is precisely the way he gets people to not actually think about things.
As for the Rinpoche thing, well Sifu is a martial arts term and he was mainly teaching buddhism so no point going by a martial arts term.
He was given Lamas robes, so why doesn’t he stick with Lama when teaching Buddhism?
The reality is: he allows people to believe they are being respectful, when in fact he knows very well they are disrespecting the wider tradition. This isolates them.
Even you had to justify why you used the term, because we all know he hasn’t earned it. When amongst other Buddhists, even this seemingly small habit will help isolate someone.
Also key question: Why does he feel the need to always upgrade his titles?
I’ve seen him go through many over the years.
As for this Abuse thing again, I really dissagree. I wrote about ONE incident in 15 years and you have chosen to repeat that many times.
You also mentioned him shouting at you several times ... in fact, you witnessed him shouting so often that you said you thought it was “his thing”.
Once a person has scared you enough, they don’t need to go full-on anymore. They just need to raise their voice a bit, and they get total submission.
This is objective fact.
And, there’s the fact he treats everyone like this, shouting at them or being aggressive in other ways, until they break, or leave.
If they stay, then he continues doing it to them, for years.
Can you really believe all his students are in such a bad way that they all need this “cruel to be kind” treatment, for years on end?
And at the same time you can believe Peter Young is an effective teacher?
Damn straight I give myself credit for being strong, but what i'm saying is that he gave me the tools to do that. That is the point of a teacher.
Good.
I think my point is: you would have got better tools elsewhere; and the tools you did get, truly didn’t need the aggression involved.
The aggression was purely there to program you.
You avoided giving your life up to that programming, but many other people have got caught.
They have given up their lives to follow him, and give all their money to him.
Go back and see them to confirm it for youself.
There also remain the key objective questions:
- Why do Palyul and Nyingma refuse to acknowledge him?
- How is it that in a heavily hierarchical structure like Tibetan Buddhism, Peter Young runs several centres, generating serious income, with absolutely zero oversight or input from anyone else at all?
Nobody runs a religion like that.