Corboy: I really really appreciate bringing into the discussion the role of the neurology/brain/mind in relation to how humans ultimately manifest their experience - and I mean any experience! It's where the rubber meets the road, and lies at the heart of discontent of M's followers who find themselves back out on the street - out of that self-induced trance of the imagined Self. I remember David Godman describing the final realization of an old devotee of Ramana's - how arduous, how dedicated, how intensely focused like a laser this gentleman was in order to attain that state - how rare an occurrence that final step is and how VERY FEW have done it. The utter frustration of M's devotees in 'wanting it' is nothing more than M. dangling some fictional carrot (GMO) and leading them into a false state - or a very mislabeled state which M. wants everyone to believe is the Self.
Forgive this sidebar into fantasy but as Peter Pan said to the children who wanted to 'fly' just like him:
" Just think lovely thoughts Michael, and up you'll go" - to Neverland where dreams are born and time is never planned, it's not on any chart, you must find it with your heart, Never Never land!" There are a lot of metaphorical images here, (also the Pied Piper comes to mind.) - even with M's invitation script of 'leave it all aside, leave it, leave it....this is still a mental function in which the brain + consciousness projects some visual to match the 'image' being requested, and the person has some physiological mirroring response - taken to be the Self. But because it remains in the mental field it is fleeting.
My feeling is that we are doing this to ourselves 24/7 anyway, with every action, desire, movement of body or mind, etc - but not as a trance hypnotic method - it's just IMO, the way consciousness-energy works - the fabric of our creative function. How do we create anything in our lives, even making a cup of tea? same process, but we don't stay in the kitchen making tea all day and night - like M. is inferring one should 'stabilize, become mature' in their 'seeing'
Seeing is a body/mind/senses function - it is not beyond the beyond as they say.
A few months ago I left Mooji and noticed how immediately my mind wanted to fill in the empty space left from not attending or watching satsangs and having that activity to which I realize, I was addicted. Yet I couldn't tolerate any teachers anymore - the whole teacher scene has become unbearable frankly. This forum became the healing balm in every way for which I am so grateful to each and every one of you. My point is that this journey is ongoing to retrain my own consciousness to be secure in the knowing that it's me as an individual soul and Source - that's the full package - and if that changes somehow, so be it. Cultivating my own consciousness to be a better prism to reflect the qualities of goodness is what has become important, and any pie in the sky carrot dangling images are dissolving.
Forgive this sidebar into fantasy but as Peter Pan said to the children who wanted to 'fly' just like him:
" Just think lovely thoughts Michael, and up you'll go" - to Neverland where dreams are born and time is never planned, it's not on any chart, you must find it with your heart, Never Never land!" There are a lot of metaphorical images here, (also the Pied Piper comes to mind.) - even with M's invitation script of 'leave it all aside, leave it, leave it....this is still a mental function in which the brain + consciousness projects some visual to match the 'image' being requested, and the person has some physiological mirroring response - taken to be the Self. But because it remains in the mental field it is fleeting.
My feeling is that we are doing this to ourselves 24/7 anyway, with every action, desire, movement of body or mind, etc - but not as a trance hypnotic method - it's just IMO, the way consciousness-energy works - the fabric of our creative function. How do we create anything in our lives, even making a cup of tea? same process, but we don't stay in the kitchen making tea all day and night - like M. is inferring one should 'stabilize, become mature' in their 'seeing'
Seeing is a body/mind/senses function - it is not beyond the beyond as they say.
A few months ago I left Mooji and noticed how immediately my mind wanted to fill in the empty space left from not attending or watching satsangs and having that activity to which I realize, I was addicted. Yet I couldn't tolerate any teachers anymore - the whole teacher scene has become unbearable frankly. This forum became the healing balm in every way for which I am so grateful to each and every one of you. My point is that this journey is ongoing to retrain my own consciousness to be secure in the knowing that it's me as an individual soul and Source - that's the full package - and if that changes somehow, so be it. Cultivating my own consciousness to be a better prism to reflect the qualities of goodness is what has become important, and any pie in the sky carrot dangling images are dissolving.