PapajisaysNO
Thank you for your so compassionate response!
I truly hope that this forum does stir something up in others, to give a chance in recognizing that this is a path with devastating results. I find it is our responsibility as human beings and society to care for each other, to meet each other with understanding and compassion, while bringing light into the darkness. And there is a lot of darkness. If one teaching doesn’t work for one individual, then it is corrupt and must be brought to light! And in this case, it is not only a corrupt teaching but one that puts people in invisible chains for the benefit of one. (remember Plato’s allegory of the cave)
Sahara71
Thank you for the links to “The Guru Papers”! Great insight!!! Opens one to a complete new reality!
….and yes…whatever he or the sangha doesn’t agree with…it’s labelled as the ego, the mind getting in the way… there is no place for own opinion or a healthy expression of the ego. If there is something they consider as being useful, then it happened by guruji’s grace, not by one’s intelligence or experience…. everything is attributed to M.
2cents
yes….that “insider language” is something that probably developed over time, as a means to belong, to be special. I never felt comfortable speaking in those terms and I’m sure many feel the same way. It felt strange to me, unnatural. The same like referring to others in terms of “beings” brothers and sisters. It always seemed to me like a little country trying to develop their own language in order to make them feel special.
I heard of many that they have doubts, that they don’t fully trust M. And those are people living there for years! But they still stay because this is all that remained in they life.
In the case of many, I don’t feel that they fear losing the chance to freedom, but they fear what the sangha will say and loosing their new family.
If anyone reads this and feels this way, I can fully assure that the people that care for you, because of YOU and because of YOU alone, will remain by your side and the others that will judge you, you are better off without them! You will get a huge opportunity to see the truth behind all this scam build on outdated systems of control and you will see how peaceful your life can become while getting back your power!!!
Judgment exists because unresolved trauma exists!
We saw what happened after the first video appeared! How A. has been met from the closest devotees of M. She wasn’t met from a place of non-judgment but she was overflown with accusations and judgments. This tells a lot about the teaching! People there do not get healing from their traumas, but are constantly bypassing and as soon as a trigger is present they explode. It is a great example how dissociative the whole sangha is.
Not even to mention how M. reacted…. Defamation??? M is not a famous actor being accused by some fans! But he is a GOD-like father figure, being accused by one of his children! How does a father respond to his child? Usually, he meets the child in a most loving way with the intention of clearing out the doubts. Instead he sends lawyers after her to silence her!!! This is not the way a loving parent meets his child, unless they are guilty of the allegations and they know they can’t clean up only by silencing through treats!
I want to admit that I was extremely triggered as well and went in full defence mode for him, thinking how can someone speak like this about such a “saint” and I was judging a lot! Until to one point when I started listening to my thoughts and realized what rubbish it was all together. I saw the projection clearly that I have crated and put into M. as being the “over-human”. In the light of truth all this crumbled and at first I was left with a bitter taste but I recognised the immense power and compassion of A. and the selflessness she has shown by putting herself up in the first row of the “battle” just for the sake of truth. I’m forever thankful for her immense courage and I’m certain she has made a difference for a lot better in may lives! Such an example of bravery and of a true “light worker” because this is what one does, shining the light upon darkness, fearless and bold. Everyone can get out of this malevolent environment and find that freedom is more than supressing anything coming from the mind and it happens not by guruji’s grace but by your openness to turn inward not abdicating your power of insight to a man made to be God. There is a beautiful part of the ego as well, there are likes and dislikes, which is perfectly fine and human. We shall not strive to become God, or mimic God, but to be in harmony with our humanness and our surrounding while living free amongst our families and friends not by escaping the world. This brings me to the saying he has on the homepage: “we didn’t come here to start a new community or to run away from society. We came here only for freedom” …. ??? what a contradictory saying… if you reflect on this you see the bs in it. And just for the sake of information… you actually have to go somewhere to find freedom???? Isn’t that the same question he asks his followers?
M. has created his own reality and probably he even thinks of him in such high terms. This should be alarming to every single one!
Thank you for your so compassionate response!
I truly hope that this forum does stir something up in others, to give a chance in recognizing that this is a path with devastating results. I find it is our responsibility as human beings and society to care for each other, to meet each other with understanding and compassion, while bringing light into the darkness. And there is a lot of darkness. If one teaching doesn’t work for one individual, then it is corrupt and must be brought to light! And in this case, it is not only a corrupt teaching but one that puts people in invisible chains for the benefit of one. (remember Plato’s allegory of the cave)
Sahara71
Thank you for the links to “The Guru Papers”! Great insight!!! Opens one to a complete new reality!
….and yes…whatever he or the sangha doesn’t agree with…it’s labelled as the ego, the mind getting in the way… there is no place for own opinion or a healthy expression of the ego. If there is something they consider as being useful, then it happened by guruji’s grace, not by one’s intelligence or experience…. everything is attributed to M.
2cents
yes….that “insider language” is something that probably developed over time, as a means to belong, to be special. I never felt comfortable speaking in those terms and I’m sure many feel the same way. It felt strange to me, unnatural. The same like referring to others in terms of “beings” brothers and sisters. It always seemed to me like a little country trying to develop their own language in order to make them feel special.
I heard of many that they have doubts, that they don’t fully trust M. And those are people living there for years! But they still stay because this is all that remained in they life.
In the case of many, I don’t feel that they fear losing the chance to freedom, but they fear what the sangha will say and loosing their new family.
If anyone reads this and feels this way, I can fully assure that the people that care for you, because of YOU and because of YOU alone, will remain by your side and the others that will judge you, you are better off without them! You will get a huge opportunity to see the truth behind all this scam build on outdated systems of control and you will see how peaceful your life can become while getting back your power!!!
Judgment exists because unresolved trauma exists!
We saw what happened after the first video appeared! How A. has been met from the closest devotees of M. She wasn’t met from a place of non-judgment but she was overflown with accusations and judgments. This tells a lot about the teaching! People there do not get healing from their traumas, but are constantly bypassing and as soon as a trigger is present they explode. It is a great example how dissociative the whole sangha is.
Not even to mention how M. reacted…. Defamation??? M is not a famous actor being accused by some fans! But he is a GOD-like father figure, being accused by one of his children! How does a father respond to his child? Usually, he meets the child in a most loving way with the intention of clearing out the doubts. Instead he sends lawyers after her to silence her!!! This is not the way a loving parent meets his child, unless they are guilty of the allegations and they know they can’t clean up only by silencing through treats!
I want to admit that I was extremely triggered as well and went in full defence mode for him, thinking how can someone speak like this about such a “saint” and I was judging a lot! Until to one point when I started listening to my thoughts and realized what rubbish it was all together. I saw the projection clearly that I have crated and put into M. as being the “over-human”. In the light of truth all this crumbled and at first I was left with a bitter taste but I recognised the immense power and compassion of A. and the selflessness she has shown by putting herself up in the first row of the “battle” just for the sake of truth. I’m forever thankful for her immense courage and I’m certain she has made a difference for a lot better in may lives! Such an example of bravery and of a true “light worker” because this is what one does, shining the light upon darkness, fearless and bold. Everyone can get out of this malevolent environment and find that freedom is more than supressing anything coming from the mind and it happens not by guruji’s grace but by your openness to turn inward not abdicating your power of insight to a man made to be God. There is a beautiful part of the ego as well, there are likes and dislikes, which is perfectly fine and human. We shall not strive to become God, or mimic God, but to be in harmony with our humanness and our surrounding while living free amongst our families and friends not by escaping the world. This brings me to the saying he has on the homepage: “we didn’t come here to start a new community or to run away from society. We came here only for freedom” …. ??? what a contradictory saying… if you reflect on this you see the bs in it. And just for the sake of information… you actually have to go somewhere to find freedom???? Isn’t that the same question he asks his followers?
M. has created his own reality and probably he even thinks of him in such high terms. This should be alarming to every single one!