snapping-out Wrote:
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> Only after snapping-out of it( after I stopped
> watching satsang, doing the "invitation to
> freedom",listening to these cd's all glorifying
> this mortal man as a god, and started to do my
> reseach into what was going on), I could
> understand what I have been in all the time. I
> just was NOT aware of my mental state...
.....
>
> It's not a nice picture. But also not a one-off.
> Reading "the Guru Papers"at the moment. I
> recommend it to anyone who is trying to make sense
> of what the hell happened to them and how and
> why...it's very enlightening...
Hello Snapping-out,
I can so relate to you! You sound a lot like me. I stopped watching the Mooji material on-line and I also began researching. I was definitely in some kind of disassociated mental state while I was watching Moo Satsungs. I found them addictive... but after a while I did not like the "spaced-out" feeling that they gave me. It did not feel natural.
I would love to read "The Guru Papers". I found a website where you can download selected chapters of this book:
[joeldiana.com]
I also found an interesting quote from the book that I believe I can relate to:
"The most extreme form of mental control occurs when the authority is trusted completely and becomes the center of one’s identity. Sadly, society and parents insidiously put out messages from childhood on that others know what’s best. Many people are deeply conditioned to expect and hope some outside agency, power or person will solve their problems. Letting go of expectations or even wanting this is difficult, partially because what one is left with is oneself and all of one’s limitations."(p.154)
Getting involved with a guru is to abdicate your own personal freedom. Paradoxically, this can feel like a new kind of freedom, at first. It's like you return to early childhood and don't have any responsibilities anymore.... someone else makes the decisions and you just trust that they know best.
You believe that they will deliver you to some kind of 'perfect state' where you no longer have to worry about anything. But it's totally a false hope. It's a form of escapism where you are left totally vulnerable to exploitation.
It's a bit like the 'Cinderella Syndrome', which was something we used to talk about in the 80's. This is where a woman waits for a man to come along and 'rescue' her... until she meets the right man, her life hasn't even really begun. She can't feel like a complete person without a man. This belief-system leaves women open to exploitation, too. But popular culture, like Disney movies and such, really feed off these ideas. (I mean the old-fashioned Disney movies...I think the new ones are probably not as problematic.)
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> Only after snapping-out of it( after I stopped
> watching satsang, doing the "invitation to
> freedom",listening to these cd's all glorifying
> this mortal man as a god, and started to do my
> reseach into what was going on), I could
> understand what I have been in all the time. I
> just was NOT aware of my mental state...
.....
>
> It's not a nice picture. But also not a one-off.
> Reading "the Guru Papers"at the moment. I
> recommend it to anyone who is trying to make sense
> of what the hell happened to them and how and
> why...it's very enlightening...
Hello Snapping-out,
I can so relate to you! You sound a lot like me. I stopped watching the Mooji material on-line and I also began researching. I was definitely in some kind of disassociated mental state while I was watching Moo Satsungs. I found them addictive... but after a while I did not like the "spaced-out" feeling that they gave me. It did not feel natural.
I would love to read "The Guru Papers". I found a website where you can download selected chapters of this book:
[joeldiana.com]
I also found an interesting quote from the book that I believe I can relate to:
"The most extreme form of mental control occurs when the authority is trusted completely and becomes the center of one’s identity. Sadly, society and parents insidiously put out messages from childhood on that others know what’s best. Many people are deeply conditioned to expect and hope some outside agency, power or person will solve their problems. Letting go of expectations or even wanting this is difficult, partially because what one is left with is oneself and all of one’s limitations."(p.154)
Getting involved with a guru is to abdicate your own personal freedom. Paradoxically, this can feel like a new kind of freedom, at first. It's like you return to early childhood and don't have any responsibilities anymore.... someone else makes the decisions and you just trust that they know best.
You believe that they will deliver you to some kind of 'perfect state' where you no longer have to worry about anything. But it's totally a false hope. It's a form of escapism where you are left totally vulnerable to exploitation.
It's a bit like the 'Cinderella Syndrome', which was something we used to talk about in the 80's. This is where a woman waits for a man to come along and 'rescue' her... until she meets the right man, her life hasn't even really begun. She can't feel like a complete person without a man. This belief-system leaves women open to exploitation, too. But popular culture, like Disney movies and such, really feed off these ideas. (I mean the old-fashioned Disney movies...I think the new ones are probably not as problematic.)