Hi everyone!
I did spend a few years in and around Sahaja and I am currently writing a long text about it. In the meantime I want to share some quotes, I found on Youtube about Mooji :
Steve wrote: 'I have always thought that the guru syndrome is poisonous, both for gurus and followers, particularly outside the traditional context of India. The guru syndrome leads to unthinking wholesale devotion. It's rooted in a psychological regression to the pre-egoic devotion of a young child to their parents, with a desire to abdicate responsibility and hand it all over to the guru.
It doesn't lead to enlightenment, just to infantile narcissism. The oneness that disciples may feel is just equivalent to the oneness that a baby feels with its mother. And for the guru, this mindless devotion leads to ego-inflation. The guru really starts to believe that they are perfect, even that they are divine. And it all ends in disaster - unethical behaviour, hierarchy, exploitation, psychological disorder. The best thing a spiritual teacher can do is to avoid guru worship. And the best thing a spiritual seeker can do is to avoid gurus.''
Jestes wrote:
I think you are very brave to speak out...Thank you! I was living with Mooji and some of his Sangha members for 10 days in 2011, because I was an organizer of a Satsang in Poland. We were in touch to 2016. I have a lot of unbelievably strange or just "not fitting" behaviours and experiences with them, like: disrupting preparations, being constantly not satisfied, eating meat and drinking cola, packing Satsang money straight to their pockets, not allowing to bring any water on Satsang (what would mean 3-4 hours without drinking on Summer) and so on...
But the worse has happened after: not writing back on letters we had agreements to write back = silent treatment (and yes, I was also thinking this was "ego burning" method), than they asked us to remove some pictures of Mooji from our website, because he was looking too normally there (i.e. just resting, lying down, eating), they asked us also to remove some words, we'd quoted, than we wanted to translate Mooji's books into Polish and to send his books through a special website dedicated to him. They didn't allow, because we didn't "fit to Mooji''s image" anymore, was said by a Mooji PR specialist. I have all very creepy letters on my e-mail box. I have many pictures also and what I have most of all - is my experience.
Now I'm my own master too and I'm sure that real freedom is from gurus's cults at all. Up to now I was thinking - only Mooji Sangha is totally freaked out. But now I begin to allow myself to say that as Mooji is inspiring and a great story teller - he has also some shadow part at least, otherwise he wouldn't allow this narcissistic people to be his team. As a sociologist I have to say: what surrounds Mooji presently is definitely a cult and a sect. But I must admit also I don't think Mooji is sexual abuser. First of all - he's body is seek and painful all the time..."
Jeanne wrote:
if Henri cannot say it, I will. Every Mooji Satsang is a full on hypnotherapy session, brainwashing using Ericksonian style Hypnosis. The large majority of participants are shut eye, hands on lap & in a deep trance throughout the session, the invitation is an induction & the instant enlightenment thing is a typical hypnotherapy style visualization exercise. The videos on youtube are a bit softer, the "silent retreats" are heavier. None of these articles or videos released recently cover the hypnosis element in much detail, possibly because understanding is a bit thinner & hypnosis practitioners may not be so keen to explain the in's & out's in fine detail...
Henri clearly understands the technical aspects of what Mooji does in his sessions & felt he needed to talk. While I could not study Sahaja, I have studied Mooji's subconscious language, behavior & hypnosis techniques. Red flags everywhere... When you understand the technique, you can see the intended suggestion, the suggestion gives you intent, intent gives you motive. Henri & I can see his motive. We can see where this leads people & the further psychological conditioning they receive when they get to Sahaja, these cult like mind control techniques based on fear, isolation & regression of character (identity, thoughts) are well documented in other cult environments. The motive is clear, look at what moo has built around him, enslaving these individuals psychologically & physically. Feeding his warped sense of self & his desires with these souls. Its devilish... There is nothing awoken about this man."
Toby wrote:
"Hypnosis and trance. I was with a famous guru (Rajneesh) for years. Same deal. Yes, these guys can move energy in a way to make people feel something they did not feel before. That is intensified by the group energy, which can be seen during rock concerts and even political rallies. The group energy is also stirred by the theatrical surroundings, music, etc. Then people are led to believe that what they are experiencing has something to do with expanding awareness or consciousness. It does, but it is self induced and has nothing to do directly with any special spiritual qualities of the guru.
Trance and hypnosis are not always experienced as zombie like, sleepwalking states. They often feel like heightened awareness and clarity. This is especially true if the environment is set up to isolate one from daily life, as in a guru's sangha. Self suggestion is a very strong mechanism. We believe that which we wish to believe and experience it not only emotionally but physiologically, as has been demonstrated by numerous studies. I know how hard it is to really look critically and see that one has been taken for a ride. Some people never get there."
I did spend a few years in and around Sahaja and I am currently writing a long text about it. In the meantime I want to share some quotes, I found on Youtube about Mooji :
Steve wrote: 'I have always thought that the guru syndrome is poisonous, both for gurus and followers, particularly outside the traditional context of India. The guru syndrome leads to unthinking wholesale devotion. It's rooted in a psychological regression to the pre-egoic devotion of a young child to their parents, with a desire to abdicate responsibility and hand it all over to the guru.
It doesn't lead to enlightenment, just to infantile narcissism. The oneness that disciples may feel is just equivalent to the oneness that a baby feels with its mother. And for the guru, this mindless devotion leads to ego-inflation. The guru really starts to believe that they are perfect, even that they are divine. And it all ends in disaster - unethical behaviour, hierarchy, exploitation, psychological disorder. The best thing a spiritual teacher can do is to avoid guru worship. And the best thing a spiritual seeker can do is to avoid gurus.''
Jestes wrote:
I think you are very brave to speak out...Thank you! I was living with Mooji and some of his Sangha members for 10 days in 2011, because I was an organizer of a Satsang in Poland. We were in touch to 2016. I have a lot of unbelievably strange or just "not fitting" behaviours and experiences with them, like: disrupting preparations, being constantly not satisfied, eating meat and drinking cola, packing Satsang money straight to their pockets, not allowing to bring any water on Satsang (what would mean 3-4 hours without drinking on Summer) and so on...
But the worse has happened after: not writing back on letters we had agreements to write back = silent treatment (and yes, I was also thinking this was "ego burning" method), than they asked us to remove some pictures of Mooji from our website, because he was looking too normally there (i.e. just resting, lying down, eating), they asked us also to remove some words, we'd quoted, than we wanted to translate Mooji's books into Polish and to send his books through a special website dedicated to him. They didn't allow, because we didn't "fit to Mooji''s image" anymore, was said by a Mooji PR specialist. I have all very creepy letters on my e-mail box. I have many pictures also and what I have most of all - is my experience.
Now I'm my own master too and I'm sure that real freedom is from gurus's cults at all. Up to now I was thinking - only Mooji Sangha is totally freaked out. But now I begin to allow myself to say that as Mooji is inspiring and a great story teller - he has also some shadow part at least, otherwise he wouldn't allow this narcissistic people to be his team. As a sociologist I have to say: what surrounds Mooji presently is definitely a cult and a sect. But I must admit also I don't think Mooji is sexual abuser. First of all - he's body is seek and painful all the time..."
Jeanne wrote:
if Henri cannot say it, I will. Every Mooji Satsang is a full on hypnotherapy session, brainwashing using Ericksonian style Hypnosis. The large majority of participants are shut eye, hands on lap & in a deep trance throughout the session, the invitation is an induction & the instant enlightenment thing is a typical hypnotherapy style visualization exercise. The videos on youtube are a bit softer, the "silent retreats" are heavier. None of these articles or videos released recently cover the hypnosis element in much detail, possibly because understanding is a bit thinner & hypnosis practitioners may not be so keen to explain the in's & out's in fine detail...
Henri clearly understands the technical aspects of what Mooji does in his sessions & felt he needed to talk. While I could not study Sahaja, I have studied Mooji's subconscious language, behavior & hypnosis techniques. Red flags everywhere... When you understand the technique, you can see the intended suggestion, the suggestion gives you intent, intent gives you motive. Henri & I can see his motive. We can see where this leads people & the further psychological conditioning they receive when they get to Sahaja, these cult like mind control techniques based on fear, isolation & regression of character (identity, thoughts) are well documented in other cult environments. The motive is clear, look at what moo has built around him, enslaving these individuals psychologically & physically. Feeding his warped sense of self & his desires with these souls. Its devilish... There is nothing awoken about this man."
Toby wrote:
"Hypnosis and trance. I was with a famous guru (Rajneesh) for years. Same deal. Yes, these guys can move energy in a way to make people feel something they did not feel before. That is intensified by the group energy, which can be seen during rock concerts and even political rallies. The group energy is also stirred by the theatrical surroundings, music, etc. Then people are led to believe that what they are experiencing has something to do with expanding awareness or consciousness. It does, but it is self induced and has nothing to do directly with any special spiritual qualities of the guru.
Trance and hypnosis are not always experienced as zombie like, sleepwalking states. They often feel like heightened awareness and clarity. This is especially true if the environment is set up to isolate one from daily life, as in a guru's sangha. Self suggestion is a very strong mechanism. We believe that which we wish to believe and experience it not only emotionally but physiologically, as has been demonstrated by numerous studies. I know how hard it is to really look critically and see that one has been taken for a ride. Some people never get there."