The extraterrestrial thing has come up before (on filmed satsangs) that are floating around somewhere on youtube.
it was dismissed as humorous of course, but whoever comes, with whatever beliefs they have, it is bound to come out there.
Yes i only heard it very vaguely but it seemed he was musing to himself (in front of the sangha at the private meeting) about "there must be people from other dimensions who can understand what hes saying".
This may actually be a direct quote.
It was very surreal, i heard it on a speaker (there are speakers all around sahaja to hear recordings of mooji wherever you are on the land) and eventually realized it wasnt a recording, the meeting was actually happening right then. It seems that yes, he may have been musing on this as proof to the sangha that he is "on another level"
The mala thing struck as very unalined with any attitude or teaching of ramanas or papajis, more like something they wouldve poked fun at. Again i could scarcely believe i had heard it, it was so bizarre like a parody of what was happening, i could not comprehend it. Or the fact that people actually felt guilt about something like this, it was unfathomable to me.
But you know, there is this whole thing of "you just interpreted it like that" and "the guru can act any way for the benefit of the devotee"
These may not sound like much, but go a looong way in the mind & heart of the devotional.
I dont think it makes you any more enlightened though, whatever perspective you have of mooji or sahaja, you can really get off on persecuting others, that doesnt mean you know better or make you justified in the judgments your casting. Even with all the stuff ive already heard felt and seen, its not like im out to persecute anyone, who has time to do that?? Im just writing because its literally the only thing i can do right now.
There are also many positive things i experienced there.
I think this is imbalanced because you guys are after dirt, but its not one way.
There are many different parts, everyones "mooji" story is similar, they really needed the guidance and eventually something felt "off".
Who cares? Even if you find out the "ultimate dirt" there will still be loyal devotees and haters, not much will change. The people that stay, stay and the people that go, go.
Also about the devotees, if you have it in you to look past all this stuff then by all means, the consequences are for your experience alone, again who cares?? Who are you trying to save?
What are you guys getting out of this?
Some kind weird accusatory satisfaction? Or are you genuinely trying to help people??
People need this forum, dont go with so many petty accusations and you will find out a lot of practical info im sure. You get too extreme with your villainous accusations.
You have to keep it simple and direct and listen to what people have to say, dont just cling to random clues about moojis "evilness".
If all of these serious accusations are in fact true, there is a lot of work to be done, things to sort out and support to lend. But no one knows anything as "fact" yet. And your not going to find that out by going on a witch hunt.
it was dismissed as humorous of course, but whoever comes, with whatever beliefs they have, it is bound to come out there.
Yes i only heard it very vaguely but it seemed he was musing to himself (in front of the sangha at the private meeting) about "there must be people from other dimensions who can understand what hes saying".
This may actually be a direct quote.
It was very surreal, i heard it on a speaker (there are speakers all around sahaja to hear recordings of mooji wherever you are on the land) and eventually realized it wasnt a recording, the meeting was actually happening right then. It seems that yes, he may have been musing on this as proof to the sangha that he is "on another level"
The mala thing struck as very unalined with any attitude or teaching of ramanas or papajis, more like something they wouldve poked fun at. Again i could scarcely believe i had heard it, it was so bizarre like a parody of what was happening, i could not comprehend it. Or the fact that people actually felt guilt about something like this, it was unfathomable to me.
But you know, there is this whole thing of "you just interpreted it like that" and "the guru can act any way for the benefit of the devotee"
These may not sound like much, but go a looong way in the mind & heart of the devotional.
I dont think it makes you any more enlightened though, whatever perspective you have of mooji or sahaja, you can really get off on persecuting others, that doesnt mean you know better or make you justified in the judgments your casting. Even with all the stuff ive already heard felt and seen, its not like im out to persecute anyone, who has time to do that?? Im just writing because its literally the only thing i can do right now.
There are also many positive things i experienced there.
I think this is imbalanced because you guys are after dirt, but its not one way.
There are many different parts, everyones "mooji" story is similar, they really needed the guidance and eventually something felt "off".
Who cares? Even if you find out the "ultimate dirt" there will still be loyal devotees and haters, not much will change. The people that stay, stay and the people that go, go.
Also about the devotees, if you have it in you to look past all this stuff then by all means, the consequences are for your experience alone, again who cares?? Who are you trying to save?
What are you guys getting out of this?
Some kind weird accusatory satisfaction? Or are you genuinely trying to help people??
People need this forum, dont go with so many petty accusations and you will find out a lot of practical info im sure. You get too extreme with your villainous accusations.
You have to keep it simple and direct and listen to what people have to say, dont just cling to random clues about moojis "evilness".
If all of these serious accusations are in fact true, there is a lot of work to be done, things to sort out and support to lend. But no one knows anything as "fact" yet. And your not going to find that out by going on a witch hunt.