Rama~
Great job interviewing Canada Girl! Loved the “Better Call Saul” clip.
Dabs ~
Yes! I too want to know how Canada Girl escaped the cult.
BTW, one exer recently told me that she really didn't know how she came to leave the cult besides a personal tragedy. Her husband left her for another woman in the cult. She said that while she was working full time for Butler on one of his projects 10 - 15 hours a day, that she would read "The Little Flowers of Saint Francis" before she went to sleep. "First printed in 1476, this collection of stories, or "little flowers," chronicles Saint Francis of Assisi's journeys, activities, and miracles. Told in brief anecdotes of charming simplicity, the stories include Saint Francis' sermon to the birds, his taming of the savage wolf of Gubbio, his conversion of the Sultan of Babylon, and his miraculous healing of a leper." (Amazon.com description)
Having heard that Sudama Vipra Swami was fond of the writings of Shrila Bhaktivinode Thakur, she also secretly procured copies of his books and read them. His writings "had heart", she said. At the time NO ONE was allowed to read ANY books published by ISKCON after Bhaktivedanta's death, nor any books published by the Gaudiya Math in India. But she found a lot of warmth and spiritual comfort and hope in these two books that motivated her to continue working for "Siddha". She told me that at the time she was already noticing things in her guru that were "off" but pushed the thoughts aside. When reading those books she imagined Jagged Prabhufraud Butler to be on the same level and caliber as Saint Francis or Bhaktivinode.
She was sleeping on cardboard covered wooden pallets at the time. She owned only two outfits and read by a candle in a gallon jar. In her mind, she was living a spiritual life like Clare of Assisi. So strong was her dedication and love for Chris Butler that she gave up many opportunities in life to serve him. She still works hard, but in a profession that actually helps people. She regrets the many years wasted in the cult.
Dabs, you are right about the corrupt Congress. How does Tulsi have time to help the people of Hawaii when she is only working for Butler's ambitions and fundraising for Bernie? Just look at the homeless problem in Hawaii (tons of documentaries on YouTube). What are Mike and Tulsi doing about that? What about the massive environmental disaster in the oceans from Fukushima and industrial waste? What are Butler's politicians doing about that? Silence. Nothing. It's all "Rah Rah, Root for Team Tulsi!"
But it does make a lot of sense that Butler has a huge interest in politics, because it is the dirtiest and sickest of professions, peopled by the worst of humanity. Why is it that Senators and Congressmen people come in with normal incomes and go out millionaires and billionaires? Why are we seeing more and more of a class divide with the middle class eroding in America? The Butler philosophy dovetails right in with the coming hybrid socialism led by a few elites.
I don't blame the Americans. They are not the stupid people the rest of the world thinks. They have had a prosperous and good life. They are native optimists. Pollyanna is American. Nellie Forbush (the character from the musical South Pacific who sings "Cockeyed Optimist") is American. My friend is American. But optimism, ill applied, is foolishness. Butler banks on this "knuckle head" character trait in his followers.
Forty years ago, a young woman sat on her pallet and read about the lives of the saints imagining herself being a good person safely in the hands of a pure devotee. She found the contrast and discrepancies in gurudev but was psychologically paralyzed for many years. She woke up because of a personal tragedy. How did Canada girl wake up?
Vox~
Your domino video is a great metaphor. Just look at how much has been uncovered about this cult since 2006! The dominoes falling are getting bigger and bigger. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. The BIG DOMINO is coming up.
Fantastic find regarding the Butler Indoctrination School in the Philippines. Great research.
Great job interviewing Canada Girl! Loved the “Better Call Saul” clip.
Dabs ~
Yes! I too want to know how Canada Girl escaped the cult.
BTW, one exer recently told me that she really didn't know how she came to leave the cult besides a personal tragedy. Her husband left her for another woman in the cult. She said that while she was working full time for Butler on one of his projects 10 - 15 hours a day, that she would read "The Little Flowers of Saint Francis" before she went to sleep. "First printed in 1476, this collection of stories, or "little flowers," chronicles Saint Francis of Assisi's journeys, activities, and miracles. Told in brief anecdotes of charming simplicity, the stories include Saint Francis' sermon to the birds, his taming of the savage wolf of Gubbio, his conversion of the Sultan of Babylon, and his miraculous healing of a leper." (Amazon.com description)
Having heard that Sudama Vipra Swami was fond of the writings of Shrila Bhaktivinode Thakur, she also secretly procured copies of his books and read them. His writings "had heart", she said. At the time NO ONE was allowed to read ANY books published by ISKCON after Bhaktivedanta's death, nor any books published by the Gaudiya Math in India. But she found a lot of warmth and spiritual comfort and hope in these two books that motivated her to continue working for "Siddha". She told me that at the time she was already noticing things in her guru that were "off" but pushed the thoughts aside. When reading those books she imagined Jagged Prabhufraud Butler to be on the same level and caliber as Saint Francis or Bhaktivinode.
She was sleeping on cardboard covered wooden pallets at the time. She owned only two outfits and read by a candle in a gallon jar. In her mind, she was living a spiritual life like Clare of Assisi. So strong was her dedication and love for Chris Butler that she gave up many opportunities in life to serve him. She still works hard, but in a profession that actually helps people. She regrets the many years wasted in the cult.
Dabs, you are right about the corrupt Congress. How does Tulsi have time to help the people of Hawaii when she is only working for Butler's ambitions and fundraising for Bernie? Just look at the homeless problem in Hawaii (tons of documentaries on YouTube). What are Mike and Tulsi doing about that? What about the massive environmental disaster in the oceans from Fukushima and industrial waste? What are Butler's politicians doing about that? Silence. Nothing. It's all "Rah Rah, Root for Team Tulsi!"
But it does make a lot of sense that Butler has a huge interest in politics, because it is the dirtiest and sickest of professions, peopled by the worst of humanity. Why is it that Senators and Congressmen people come in with normal incomes and go out millionaires and billionaires? Why are we seeing more and more of a class divide with the middle class eroding in America? The Butler philosophy dovetails right in with the coming hybrid socialism led by a few elites.
I don't blame the Americans. They are not the stupid people the rest of the world thinks. They have had a prosperous and good life. They are native optimists. Pollyanna is American. Nellie Forbush (the character from the musical South Pacific who sings "Cockeyed Optimist") is American. My friend is American. But optimism, ill applied, is foolishness. Butler banks on this "knuckle head" character trait in his followers.
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corboy wrote
Voters are not stupid. Voters are human. We have a sense of the normal, the
day to day.
Most of us do not want to believe that things can become so terrible.
More so, most of us do not want to believe that our vote has entangled
us in a situation that is bizarre and so corrupt that it would be cartoonish
were it not that scores of young people have been scarred for life and children are still serving hard time in Butlerite households and in that jungle school in the Philippines.
We find it a stretch to imagine that a sweet young women could
be involved in something so ghastly, be born into something so ghastly
and go on to be groomed and then placed in the House of Representatives,
as though Chris Butler used her as a Barbie Doll in a game of power politics.
Part of the subconscious conditioning of most Americans who are not persons of color is that here in the USA, life is fair, and that bad guys cannot Get Away With It. can never prevail.
Thing is, the USA would never have come into existence had it not been
for a bunch of discontented British colonists who did come to believe that
matters were unacceptably vile. But, over two hundred years later, we
have lost that edge.
Forty years ago, a young woman sat on her pallet and read about the lives of the saints imagining herself being a good person safely in the hands of a pure devotee. She found the contrast and discrepancies in gurudev but was psychologically paralyzed for many years. She woke up because of a personal tragedy. How did Canada girl wake up?
Vox~
Your domino video is a great metaphor. Just look at how much has been uncovered about this cult since 2006! The dominoes falling are getting bigger and bigger. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. The BIG DOMINO is coming up.
Fantastic find regarding the Butler Indoctrination School in the Philippines. Great research.