happytown()
Looking at your old posts, you seem to have had some bad experiences. I pray you find some peace in your life.
Posted by: happytown ()
Date: March 18, 2017 05:15AM
I'm in therapy after experiencing extreme trauma from time in a spiritual group.
A few people have recommended this EMDR for trauma. But my therapist said for this kind of complex emotional trauma its not really effective.
Does anyone have a second opinion or experience on this?
Can't move most days. When I do get out of the house I return triggered and exhausted. I'm slowly getting better and looking for ways to support myself.
Many thanks
Posted by: happytown ()
Date: February 11, 2017 05:24AM
So I've been involved with three spiritual groups, and they've all ended badly.
But thousands of people in the groups are happy and flourishing. I've been drawn into these groups by a need to belong. I have a tendency to be a know-it-all and have suffered group attempts to "bring me down a peg or two".
I've been accused of "resistance", and if I would just "surrender" to the guru then everything would be ok. But I'm now on medicine and in therapy.
I can clearly identify some things which are "bad" e.g. deliberate double-binds, boot-camp style toughness designed to break me. Deliberate miscommunication and mishandling of situations designed to cause distress to my evil ego. I have a history of psychosis, and it quickly sent me into a tailspin that I recognised: but the diagnosis was that I was going through my "dark night of the soul".
The message I get from therapists (and from some people in the groups) is that "this kind of thing isn't for everyone". The mixed message there of course being that I'm too weak. I'm left not only angry but also with a constant fear that it's all my fault.
I have nothing like Scientology to grasp onto, where it's really obvious that how I've been treated is abuse. It's more subtle, like they thought they could help me but they couldn't, but there no room in the paradigm to admit they messed up.
It's just so overwhelmingly crippling. It's hard to let go of the idea that if it doesn't work out then it's my fault.
If anyone can relate, or just help to create some way of looking at this so I can move on, I'd be grateful. I've lost family, relationships and friends and I'm now totally alone.
I will give you some advice that Mooji recently gave to a former disciple of another guru.
The women mentioned that she was a devotee of a certain guru, and then tried another guru, maybe another, overall it did not end well and she did not have a good experience.
Moojis answer was (I will try to summarize) " you do not have to refer me to anything or anybody" he went on to explain that he did not intend to become a spiritual teacher, he actually tried to get away from all these people but somehow wherever he went , people would start asking him questions. It was never his intention for this to occur. He actually prefers that the relationship is such that you have a question, he gives some advice, if it doesn't work, maybe he will ask to you try something else. He prefers not to be worshiped but as AppleJuice mentioned, people do so.
My advice is not to get caught up in all this, I hope you can move on from your past experiences. I am not even suggesting you follow Mooji's teachings. I am just suggesting for your own sake you let it go. You can find faults in all the teachings, from the Bible to the Qua ran to the ancient Indian Scriptures. Why invest soo much energy ?
To answer a few of your questions:
Money - life is not free, money is needed. They have expensive camera / recording / broadcasting equipment which allows many people to view satsangs for free. Many such as applejuice are even given free accomodation in times of need.
Mooji personally lives in a very small space in Monte Sahaja. Its clean, simple and beautiful , but def not a luxury resort.
Money is needed for food, projects, construction, plane tickets to various places, etc.
Worldly Events - what is there to talk about , why get involved ? Let the TV reporters do that, he is only interested in liberation, not CNN politics.
As for Mental Health - you cant say he does not , many people have all sorts of problems, he deals with them as needed , everyone is different, you yourself should know this.
I hope you find some peace in your life.
:)
Looking at your old posts, you seem to have had some bad experiences. I pray you find some peace in your life.
Posted by: happytown ()
Date: March 18, 2017 05:15AM
I'm in therapy after experiencing extreme trauma from time in a spiritual group.
A few people have recommended this EMDR for trauma. But my therapist said for this kind of complex emotional trauma its not really effective.
Does anyone have a second opinion or experience on this?
Can't move most days. When I do get out of the house I return triggered and exhausted. I'm slowly getting better and looking for ways to support myself.
Many thanks
Posted by: happytown ()
Date: February 11, 2017 05:24AM
So I've been involved with three spiritual groups, and they've all ended badly.
But thousands of people in the groups are happy and flourishing. I've been drawn into these groups by a need to belong. I have a tendency to be a know-it-all and have suffered group attempts to "bring me down a peg or two".
I've been accused of "resistance", and if I would just "surrender" to the guru then everything would be ok. But I'm now on medicine and in therapy.
I can clearly identify some things which are "bad" e.g. deliberate double-binds, boot-camp style toughness designed to break me. Deliberate miscommunication and mishandling of situations designed to cause distress to my evil ego. I have a history of psychosis, and it quickly sent me into a tailspin that I recognised: but the diagnosis was that I was going through my "dark night of the soul".
The message I get from therapists (and from some people in the groups) is that "this kind of thing isn't for everyone". The mixed message there of course being that I'm too weak. I'm left not only angry but also with a constant fear that it's all my fault.
I have nothing like Scientology to grasp onto, where it's really obvious that how I've been treated is abuse. It's more subtle, like they thought they could help me but they couldn't, but there no room in the paradigm to admit they messed up.
It's just so overwhelmingly crippling. It's hard to let go of the idea that if it doesn't work out then it's my fault.
If anyone can relate, or just help to create some way of looking at this so I can move on, I'd be grateful. I've lost family, relationships and friends and I'm now totally alone.
I will give you some advice that Mooji recently gave to a former disciple of another guru.
The women mentioned that she was a devotee of a certain guru, and then tried another guru, maybe another, overall it did not end well and she did not have a good experience.
Moojis answer was (I will try to summarize) " you do not have to refer me to anything or anybody" he went on to explain that he did not intend to become a spiritual teacher, he actually tried to get away from all these people but somehow wherever he went , people would start asking him questions. It was never his intention for this to occur. He actually prefers that the relationship is such that you have a question, he gives some advice, if it doesn't work, maybe he will ask to you try something else. He prefers not to be worshiped but as AppleJuice mentioned, people do so.
My advice is not to get caught up in all this, I hope you can move on from your past experiences. I am not even suggesting you follow Mooji's teachings. I am just suggesting for your own sake you let it go. You can find faults in all the teachings, from the Bible to the Qua ran to the ancient Indian Scriptures. Why invest soo much energy ?
To answer a few of your questions:
Money - life is not free, money is needed. They have expensive camera / recording / broadcasting equipment which allows many people to view satsangs for free. Many such as applejuice are even given free accomodation in times of need.
Mooji personally lives in a very small space in Monte Sahaja. Its clean, simple and beautiful , but def not a luxury resort.
Money is needed for food, projects, construction, plane tickets to various places, etc.
Worldly Events - what is there to talk about , why get involved ? Let the TV reporters do that, he is only interested in liberation, not CNN politics.
As for Mental Health - you cant say he does not , many people have all sorts of problems, he deals with them as needed , everyone is different, you yourself should know this.
I hope you find some peace in your life.
:)