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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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Ian Koviak wrote:

And rest assured—these scriptures and so-called scientific texts were revised, added to, adjusted and misinterpreted countless times by countless people—for their agendas and personal convictions. Yes, people. Not gods, not angels, not some mystic saints with elephant gods writing with broken tusks. People. Writers, poets, logicians, artists, scientists and philosophers—over the course of many hundreds and thousands of years. There was no "revealed knowledge" that vyasa just wrote down (sorry, ganesh) in one fell swoop. In fact, much of the knowledge in various shastras and supplementary vedic texts were developed right in line with and at the same time as many other scientific and philosophical discoveries and contributions were being made globally. Not just in india. Mathematical concepts, writing, architecture, art, religion, etc—many of the major discoveries in these fields of knowledge were being shared and discovered by moving tribes, shifting and conquering dynasties and eventually via the written, documented word. It seems foolish to highlight india with the singular very biased aim of having people superstitiously be convinced that chanting hare krishna is the best thing ever or has any more potency than chanting or meditating on any phrase or sound that one associates with peace and tranquility. It's also not healthy to be so preoccupied with living a life of no stress and complete mental peace. It robs us of rich experiences and the ability to grow stronger and build our own authentic and personal view of reality. Artificially imposing a framework of thought and belief simply robs our mind and dulls it of it's ability to seek and learn and question and form real ideas based in reality—not fiction.


Cults in so many ways are similar to drugs. They both are capable of inducing our brains to produce dopamine to get that euphoric feeling. In time, it can get addicting.

I remember a scene in Conan the Barbarian when Ah-nold beheaded the Cult Leader finally, then threw the severed head down the temple steps, the crowd dispersed in the most poignant fashion, woke up from stupor, throwing down their torches and walking away in lines into the horizon.

I look forward to the day when children return to their families to rebuild lives, to recover quality time, to restore love, to seek their true potentials, and most of all to find God in the wider world than in a groupthink.

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