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Re: General Problems with Gurus

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Why seek or value enlightenment if it does not improve peoples character and behavior?

Bharati said he himself solved it by deciding that the zero experience aka nondual realization is an aesthetic experience, in the same realm aa art and music. No shortage of great musicians and composers who have been and are assholes, deadbeat parents bigots destroyers of hotel suites and the ruin of young daughters.

No one suggests music is worthless because of the many horrid persons involved with musicologist

But few contend that musical virtuosity or listening to music will mean you are have the answer to ending suffering.. But that claim is made about the experience of nondual realization.

Bharati summed it up this way..the experience of nondual realization is all about pleasure. It cannot be produced by any known method. Yoga meditation and asceticism are how you spend your time if you decide to privilege the zero experience as the most important thing in life. It is about pleasure and the zero experience will not turn a stinker into a kind and honest person, just as performing St Matthew Passion is not guaranteed to turn a stinker into an altruist.

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