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Against The Stream(ATS) vs. Shambhala - two different responses

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To read full text of this discussion including the statement by Against The Stream go here.


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The outcome of the investigation into Noah Levine’s conduct and the future of Against the Stream Buddhist Meditation Society (ATS) (counterpoint to SI)

27 points•42 comments•submitted 5 days ago * by rubbishaccount88 to r/ShambhalaBuddhism
Well this is a real thought-stopper. Arrived in my email box about an hour ago.

In total contradistinction to what Shambhala International has offered regarding the Sakyong, this letter is just so clear and cogent and sad and graceful and real and brave.

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[–]corniefish 13 points 4 days ago
Thanks for posting this as a counterpoint to how other org's have handled this. I attended three or four events/weekends with my local Shambala group, including a weekend with Pema. I was SO sad and angry at each of these events, every single one, the teacher made mention of their leaders transgressions as an interesting fact of his humanity. Men, this is NOT your humanity. You can do better. You can choose differently.

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]Arupajhana7 5 points 4 days ago*
I really commend the ATS community and leadership for handling it this way. Sadly my own Shambhala Sangha has handled Osel Mukpo's abuse in precisely the opposite manner.

It is painful but I am glad that the ATS community is putting the teachings first, and not protecting or enabling abuse.

I am still drawn to Tibetan practices in particular, but I think I will check out the ATS community in person some time. Generally impressed with how you all have handled this difficult situation.

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