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Re: Shambhala Sakyong Mipham Rinpoche -- problems

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As any beginning student of Buddhism knows, ethical discipline is based on refraining from the ten nonvirtuous actions of body, speech and mind

Good point. Trungpa, like Sogyal and others, succeeded in bamboozling his students into believing that someone who tramples on the Buddha's basic precepts, and exercises no discipline at all in daily life, instead being prone to all manner of excess (to say nothing of abuse), is a highly-realized being, a supremely accomplished teacher.

I, on the contrary, would question whether Trungpa was a Buddhist practitioner at all. Mere book-learning doth not a practitioner make.


As to the Karmapa reining in CT, that didn't happen, because CT bought him off with sex orgies. According to Zen Roshi Jun Po Kelly, who was CT's cook and student at the time, a special dinner was organized for the Karmapa, with a group of students, mainly female. Kelly prepared a delicate fish dish, which was ruined, because the group was "occupied" until hours after dinnertime. Kelly heard giggles emanating from behind sliding doors, and when they opened as Kelly tried to serve dinner, he saw writhing nude bodies, and CT told him, with alcohol-slurred speech, to bring the dinner much later.

The entire incident caused Kelly to quit as cook and as student, both. He walked away after that evening, and never looked back.

This, from his biography, A Heart Blown Open: The Life and Practice of Zen Master Jun Po Denis Kelly Roshi.

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