Thank you again Corboy,
I agree with everything you've said here.
Your good sense, obvious experience, and care, is heartening. Truly.
I've experienced and witnessed every single element detailed in your post.
I've thought about getting a veteran's group together, but the difficulty is PY has been clever enough to make everyone in the group mistrust each other, even when fully "in" the group.
The sense of superiority he instills in his victims is against outsiders, of course, but also between insiders.
Secondly, when a person gets out, PY so thoroughly destroys that person in the eyes of those are still in, that even if one knows rationally that the person who left wasn't "bad", the negative emotional imprint is overwhelming.
This is so strong that when a person leaves, they don't have the urge to contact other (prior) escapees. The residual emotional imprint is one of such "badness", and so deeply programmed.
I've felt this myself.
The upshot is, I don't have contact details for any of the those who got out before me, and only the cult's website email to contact those still trapped.
That email goes to the senior student, who I'm 100% sure is fully aware the thing is a cult. He benefits from it, and has become a "mini-me" of PY (although, thankfully, far less skillful).
I also doubt any of those who got out would even want to be contacted about this.
I'm pretty sure they're all still too shamed and scared, and just want to bury it.
Intuition tells me this, and the fact that I've seen so many people be shredded emotionally / mentally / spiritually by PY, yet there's nothing on the web apart from this forum where anyone has spoken up.
Even I still get unwarranted fear-feelings when talking about it.
Another aspect is, like "Dondrup is powerhungry imposter", I too was driven to near-suicide, and part of me is concerned that many of those who have left have actually gone and done it.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that PY deliberately programs his victims to go towards suicide when they get out.
PY really is very clever in this way. Every phrase, every action is calculated for long-term effect.
I'm sure he's studied how other cult leaders were taken down, and has strategised how to minimise the risk of that happening to him.
He's also studied all sorts of psychology / social engineering, and is truly adept at applying those insights against vulnerable people.
"When you are up for it, you can list all the things you gave to PY and then note using a plus or minus sign, what he did give back to you in fair return -- and what he did not give back ... What they do is trick us into not monitoring how they take from us more than they give back"
Interestingly, I spontaneously started to do this about 2 years ago.
For anyone else reading this, I can confirm it works.
It gives clarity, and puts one's thinking back onto reality.
I still have to do it when the residual brainwashing makes me question what I know is the truth.
To my disgust, that still happens, but each time, I know it's another layer of brainwashing I'm freeing myself from, so it's a good thing.
The trick you mention is precisely what PY did, and continues to do.
Positively, now "Dondrup is powerhungry imposter" has also posted, there's 2 of us ex-students who have spoken up.
I see there's more than 600 views of this thread, amongst whom I'm sure there are ex-students.
Maybe more will find the courage to come forward over time.
(If ex-students are out there reading this: it will help you to speak your truth, and as we're seeing, it also genuinely helps others to hear you).
I agree with everything you've said here.
Your good sense, obvious experience, and care, is heartening. Truly.
I've experienced and witnessed every single element detailed in your post.
I've thought about getting a veteran's group together, but the difficulty is PY has been clever enough to make everyone in the group mistrust each other, even when fully "in" the group.
The sense of superiority he instills in his victims is against outsiders, of course, but also between insiders.
Secondly, when a person gets out, PY so thoroughly destroys that person in the eyes of those are still in, that even if one knows rationally that the person who left wasn't "bad", the negative emotional imprint is overwhelming.
This is so strong that when a person leaves, they don't have the urge to contact other (prior) escapees. The residual emotional imprint is one of such "badness", and so deeply programmed.
I've felt this myself.
The upshot is, I don't have contact details for any of the those who got out before me, and only the cult's website email to contact those still trapped.
That email goes to the senior student, who I'm 100% sure is fully aware the thing is a cult. He benefits from it, and has become a "mini-me" of PY (although, thankfully, far less skillful).
I also doubt any of those who got out would even want to be contacted about this.
I'm pretty sure they're all still too shamed and scared, and just want to bury it.
Intuition tells me this, and the fact that I've seen so many people be shredded emotionally / mentally / spiritually by PY, yet there's nothing on the web apart from this forum where anyone has spoken up.
Even I still get unwarranted fear-feelings when talking about it.
Another aspect is, like "Dondrup is powerhungry imposter", I too was driven to near-suicide, and part of me is concerned that many of those who have left have actually gone and done it.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that PY deliberately programs his victims to go towards suicide when they get out.
PY really is very clever in this way. Every phrase, every action is calculated for long-term effect.
I'm sure he's studied how other cult leaders were taken down, and has strategised how to minimise the risk of that happening to him.
He's also studied all sorts of psychology / social engineering, and is truly adept at applying those insights against vulnerable people.
"When you are up for it, you can list all the things you gave to PY and then note using a plus or minus sign, what he did give back to you in fair return -- and what he did not give back ... What they do is trick us into not monitoring how they take from us more than they give back"
Interestingly, I spontaneously started to do this about 2 years ago.
For anyone else reading this, I can confirm it works.
It gives clarity, and puts one's thinking back onto reality.
I still have to do it when the residual brainwashing makes me question what I know is the truth.
To my disgust, that still happens, but each time, I know it's another layer of brainwashing I'm freeing myself from, so it's a good thing.
The trick you mention is precisely what PY did, and continues to do.
Positively, now "Dondrup is powerhungry imposter" has also posted, there's 2 of us ex-students who have spoken up.
I see there's more than 600 views of this thread, amongst whom I'm sure there are ex-students.
Maybe more will find the courage to come forward over time.
(If ex-students are out there reading this: it will help you to speak your truth, and as we're seeing, it also genuinely helps others to hear you).