Re: Lobsters, woke, JP ? 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos

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[–]largumboy
What first got me into him was the first Joe Rogan podcast. Maybe the conversational JBP could be a better intro? That's at least how I viewed it.

[–]vizaga
Pretty much the same experience here. Though to be honest I can see why my girlfriend wouldn't get into JP. She just doesn't have it in her to deconstruct the world down to the bones, and honestly that's kind of what I like about her. Things come very simply to her, and when I ask her "don't you want to know where meaning spawns from? Don't you want to understand the fundamental nature of reality?" Like honestly, that kind of material must be fascinating for everyone. Well, she responds, "I don't need to. I act out my life in accordance to my beliefs, and when I sense that my life is beginning to pull apart, I isolate the problem and fix it."

Fucking incredible. So in some ways I guess it's just pointless for her. I still think his personality lectures would be interesting though. But it sucks, because I've tried to get some friends into it too, and it's all been a wash, though I think that's an issue of effort on my part. All in all, it's just really fun to talk about deep shit, and talking about JP's material is like a fast track to that kind of conversation.

A longer term solution is figuring out the questions you have to ask someone to get a conversation to a deep place. That takes a certain mastery of your thoughts, and also some courage to eventually ask, "so what are your thoughts on cultural appropriation?" Because that's like an invitation to battle, but nobody can lose, because then someone gets upset and you both just loose, and that's like, a huge bummer, you know?


[–]btwn2stools
Ha literally the same with my girlfriend. I then told her about the Big 5 and she shrugged it off as more big picture JBP stuff. But then I started using the terms during our conversations like "you sister is low in openness so obviously she wouldn't like xyz".

All of a sudden she is starting to see the value once she can dissect her friends and families MOs. So instead of asking the "right" questions I just found an area of JBP and used it naturally to show her how his content could be useful in every day life. Will it become a gateway into Maps of Meaning, not sure but at least I found some utility for JPB in this context.

[–]TurtleInTheSky
Yes, I thought of JBP PTSD related lecture on how we live with a map of reality that orients us to action. It operates like this on many levels from right now to life in general.

You can get lost in the beauty or truthiness of the high level (which I am prone to).

But also, you can move down the levels to how it points to the right action in the elements of here and now. i.e. What do I say now to my sister?


[–]Xtreme_Fapping_EE
It took me at least 2 months and several tries to warm-up to Peterson. Initially, I wasn't sure whether he was an esoteric cook or not. Likely because I was somewhat ignorant about the topics discussed. But after reading for a few dozen hours on his favourite topics, learning about the authors and topics he is referring to, one can only agree that the man is a passionate communicator and educator, and he indeed masters his topics. I am still not sure he is someone who is adding large pieces to the epistemology edifice, but at the very leasy he demonstrates with force details how it's been built, and how to build one yourself. He certainly is a new beacon in my life.

[–]indivisibleremainder
don't worry babe i'll be your bf

[–][deleted] 7 points 11 months ago
thnx babez


[–][deleted] 3 points 11 months ago*
I was. Mentioned the content to my boyfriend (very disagreeable, very open, very skeptical and very critical) because I thought he'd be interested (plus I couldn't help it, JP also has had a huge impact on me). Recommended JP's youtube channel, sent clips. Initially he was very resistant and came up with arguments as to why JP does not emotionally resonate with him, and even criticized his ideas (he was very defensive, I thought this was because he was critical of my assertion that this was life changing content). Then he asked questions out of curiosity. Started looking at clips with titles he liked. Now he's more into the JP rabbit hole than me!

So I asked why he wasn't into JP initially and he joked that he "didn't want a woman telling him what to do". While he was joking, I think it was perhaps in his nature to want to get into JP on his own rather than because his lover told him to. Men map their own meaning, so to speak.

Your boyfriend might perceive JP as intellectual competition because his career is literally built on his ability to think critically (and you probably like him because he is smart), so it's possible that he subconsciously sees JP as the "competition". Or he needs JP's content to be personally meaningful to his life for him to get into it (dat huge impact happens when JP becomes personalized). Don't know your situation well enough to say anything conclusive though.

It might help to talk about JP's content without mentioning JP. Rather than forcing a JP convo, just bring it up if it pertains to something you're already talking about with him so he doesn't feel pressured to get into JP. Or rather than talking about JP's content itself, perhaps just focus on the significance it has had on your life. With time, he might get into it on his own. If not, perhaps there are other people in your life that you could talk to in person about JP... maybe not about everything, but maybe you know one person who'd be interested in the religious stuff, another interested in the personality stuff, another the political stuff, etc. Doesn't necessarily have to be all one person.

Anyways, it all depends on your situation, but I hope this perhaps helps. Good luck, fellow bucko!

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[–][deleted] 2 points 11 months ago
I think you might be on the money with this one!!

While I don't know if my boyfriend would see it as a woman telling him what to do, I have had some feelings that he may see JP as intellectual competition. I think he's also mostly put off by the religious stuff (he's an atheist) even though it's explained in evolutionary terms. Which is fair enough, he was raised in a very religious country with religious educators so I understand the resistance.

I'll survive if he never gains an interest, and yeah I'm in the process of slowly trying to get all of my friends hooked ehehe

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[–]Ramblemoe
At first glance Peterson struck me as a very religious man. And while that is true on some level, it's not true in the way I first thought of it. What I first saw was a devout catholic nutjob with some good ideas about SJW's.

It took me several months of short update videos and debates about the whole pronoun debacle before I warmed up to the idea of looking at his lectures. I started with the biology/traits from his personality course, and before I knew it I was going through reference material and entire playlists of lectures.

I think your partner just needs to have a proper reason to delve deeper. Some nugget of information that sparks his interest. Personally I needed to know if there was more to Peterson than my initial impression. I needed to know if he was referencing proper research or bullshit papers with an agenda.



[–]nebulaedlai
my friend can't listen to JBP because he is using "complicated words".

Bloody engineers

[–]TurtleInTheSky
Hmmm... I'm an engineer but I love him. Complicated words? Engineers don't deal with complexity??? Like second order effects of potential failure modes? lol Maybe this is about liking things more than people.

If I could engineer a person, JBP describes the high level software architecture of what a person is running on their processor.