Gayle thank you for laying this out in detail.
AH gets video testimonies from people who are in that afterglow and uses this to promote their business.
Trinity may have a cultic hold on at least one of his inner circle already.
gayle Wrote:
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> I'd like to add more about ayahuasca, especially
> as it relates to cultism.
>
> Ayahuasca is different from recreational drugs and
> drugs of abuse, including alcohol, in that those
> normally make one feel good when one is under the
> effects, and then one feels bad afterward.
> Ayahuasca, on the other hand, is at best an
> unpleasant experience. It can be a physical and
> mental ordeal. You have to have courage and maybe
> a touch of masochism to do it.
>
> But on the other side of the ordeal is the
> euphoric afterglow. This comes from both
> physiological reasons and psychological reasons
> (facing and purging inner demons, etc). For
> clinically depressed people, it can be the only
> time that they have experienced joy and happiness
> since they can remember. While this afterglow
> doesn't last more than a few days, just having the
> experience to help their brain remember what joy
> actually feels like can be a miracle for a
> clinically depressed person.
>
> In this afterglow, which is most intense
> immediately after the ceremony, you feel in love
> with the whole world and with everyone you see.
> You love and trust everyone. In this open state,
> you could be extremely susceptible to cultist
> brainwashing (as long as it is all washed down
> with hugs and smiles and love-love-love). It's
> scary, to me, to think of ayahuasca being in the
> hands of cult leaders.
>
> This, I feel, is the danger here, the real safety
> issue. But, as I am sure that everyone here
> knows, the law has nothing to say about cultism.
> The First Amendment prohibits any legal
> discrimination based on religious beliefs.
>
> So the only safety issue that can be
> brought up to the DEA is the issue of unqualified
> leaders who are unequipped to handle crises that
> can come up and who can even make people's
> problems worse. Which is indeed a genuine
> problem. People do -- rarely -- get traumatized
> in badly run ceremonies.
>
> But between me and the cult forum, I don't feel
> that is the most important danger. The real
> danger would be to let cult leaders get hold of
> this medicine. That is a very scary thought to me.
AH gets video testimonies from people who are in that afterglow and uses this to promote their business.
Trinity may have a cultic hold on at least one of his inner circle already.
gayle Wrote:
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> I'd like to add more about ayahuasca, especially
> as it relates to cultism.
>
> Ayahuasca is different from recreational drugs and
> drugs of abuse, including alcohol, in that those
> normally make one feel good when one is under the
> effects, and then one feels bad afterward.
> Ayahuasca, on the other hand, is at best an
> unpleasant experience. It can be a physical and
> mental ordeal. You have to have courage and maybe
> a touch of masochism to do it.
>
> But on the other side of the ordeal is the
> euphoric afterglow. This comes from both
> physiological reasons and psychological reasons
> (facing and purging inner demons, etc). For
> clinically depressed people, it can be the only
> time that they have experienced joy and happiness
> since they can remember. While this afterglow
> doesn't last more than a few days, just having the
> experience to help their brain remember what joy
> actually feels like can be a miracle for a
> clinically depressed person.
>
> In this afterglow, which is most intense
> immediately after the ceremony, you feel in love
> with the whole world and with everyone you see.
> You love and trust everyone. In this open state,
> you could be extremely susceptible to cultist
> brainwashing (as long as it is all washed down
> with hugs and smiles and love-love-love). It's
> scary, to me, to think of ayahuasca being in the
> hands of cult leaders.
>
> This, I feel, is the danger here, the real safety
> issue. But, as I am sure that everyone here
> knows, the law has nothing to say about cultism.
> The First Amendment prohibits any legal
> discrimination based on religious beliefs.
>
> So the only safety issue that can be
> brought up to the DEA is the issue of unqualified
> leaders who are unequipped to handle crises that
> can come up and who can even make people's
> problems worse. Which is indeed a genuine
> problem. People do -- rarely -- get traumatized
> in badly run ceremonies.
>
> But between me and the cult forum, I don't feel
> that is the most important danger. The real
> danger would be to let cult leaders get hold of
> this medicine. That is a very scary thought to me.