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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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Hi there, I've been lurking here for a while and finally got onto the forum!

First I want to thank you all for your tireless efforts in exposing the truth about science of identity. Your posts contributed to at least three people I know leaving the cult and I/they can't thank you enough. Our lives would have been very different to what they are now and I cannot comprehend the extent of damage that could have been caused beyond what damage has already been done.

I have been in touch with two other forum members here and I'm very grateful for their trust, respect and support over a long period of time.

I want my first post to speak to anyone who is in the cult still and afraid to leave. I'm afraid it's a long one.

No matter how deep you are in this cult, it is never too late to leave. I know with leaving there may be great feelings of embarrassment, shame, fear, anger and loss but don't let these feelings trap you into staying, don't live in fear of these feelings, embrace them and accept them as a part of the process of leaving and disengaging from the cult. Those feelings are transient and will lessen with time, and eventually you will realise the gains, the emotional, intellectual, social and possibly financial and spiritual gains will far outweigh the losses.

You have no reason to feel embarrassed or ashamed, so many people fall into cults and you falling into a cult is a sign of an open mind and heart and a willing spirit. These are not negative characteristics, however it unfortunately does mean that sometimes they can be exploited by someone or a group that is skilful in exploiting them. But it doesn't have to happen again, you can be aware of the red flags and you will have strength and awareness that the majority of people won't have due to your experience.
Having left the cult I discovered a new strength in me, not a weakness, the experience made me stronger and gave me a powerful insight into human behaviour and myself.

Getting caught up in a cult is not your fault. Period.

Here are a few things I learned along the way...

Being love bombed is quite nice! Getting attention, validation and acceptance from a group of people you don't know, who are falling over themselves to welcome you, offer you gifts, share their personal thoughts with you and wanting to listen to yours, is a really nice experience! Especially when there is so much negativity in the world. However always ask yourself what is in it for them? Do you normally get this from any other group in your life? Is it really free? Are the long term losses really worth the short term gains? If this is something you will miss or do miss what changes can you make in your life to get that kind of acceptance from within yourself so you are not searching for it outside of yourself? Question everything.

You do not have to write off your life when you leave a cult. What I mean by this is that your experiences there do not have to be written off, they are still part of the rich tapestry of your life. It is not wrong to have happy or unhappy memories, it is okay to think that some parts of your experiences were good, helpful and if there are aspects you would like to carry on. The difference is that you get to dictate what you parts you want to continue or not, you get to decide what value those experiences have, you will have autonomy over your beliefs, jobs, relationships and your body.

Just because you leave a cult doesn't mean that your spiritual experiences are not genuine. This was a particularly difficult one for me to get my head round. I had experiences I still cannot explain or rationalise, and regardless of my beliefs now those experiences are still valid, no matter how they came about.

I was speaking to someone about how after discovering I was in a cult made me feel vulnerable and wary of trusting anyone again. That person asked me to examine what it was I was looking for in that cult that I couldn't find with in myself, why I was looking for someone else to dictate so much of my life, why I couldn't find that authoritative and decisive voice from within? In finding the answer to those questions from within I no longer feel vulnerable.

Why do you need a religion or a 'guru' to decipher or dictate your relationship with a higher power who is seemingly so keen to have a relationship with you? Why in a world so rich in diversity in all things are you ready to believe that there is only one way to have this relationship and through one person out of 7 billion people on this planet? What kind of healthy relationship in your life needs someone else to mastermind it for you? Could you describe that kind of relationship as healthy? Be critical always, it's not a sin to question things, we were born with a critical mind as a tool to survive, use it.

The four most helpful things I found were...

Speaking to people who had left, share experiences, find a community, get support.

Keep asking questions, use your critical mind in all things, read other accounts, fact check anything that has been told to you and if things have been hidden ask yourself why.

Watch Holy Hell! Thanks for the member(s) here that suggested that, it really helped me! Lots of parallels between science of identity and that film.

Acceptance. Accept your feelings, accept your losses, let go of negativity because it can trap you as much as the cult did and focus on building a stronger you and a better future for yourself so that one day you will be able to look back and just be thankful for where you are now rather than get caught up in the negative emotions of where you were then.

Thank you to the members here again. I know alot of you have suffered and are still suffering great losses through trying to expose science of identity . You are making a difference, and I hope that provides you with some comfort and determination to continue.

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