ollaimh Wrote:
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> i think she goes too far blaming the dalai lama
> for his failure to act, but it's not an
> unreasonable position to take. he should be more
> active in controlling abuse in his own system,
> however i doubt he can change the medieval
> tibetans quickly. so he is partly responsible.
> if he denounced abuse more he could leave his
> position and he would be fine as a monk.(he would
> probably be forced out) he would still have lots
> of followers and supporters. this points out the
> major issue with a lot of tibetan buddhist
> leaders. they are not even pretending to be
> renunciates. they are wealth and power holders.
> this is inconsistent with the teachings of buddha.
> they have excellent teachings burried under the
> dross of abuse, wealth, greed and ignorance, but
> so do other groups, so why do we need these power
> and wealth hungry lamas?
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> her criticism of the world view of kalachakra is
> worth contmplating. are these people seriously
> taking the world conquest parts literally? well
> some are, and that's nuts. shambala seems to take
> this literally and that is inconsistent with
> buddhism.
>
> she also provides some eye openers about maurice
> strong and his new age contacts. strong was
> important in the canadian liberal party. it is
> disturbing what he got up to after canadian
> politics.
>
> so all and all it's an excellent book that i hope
> will open a few eyes and maybe even help push
> reforms.it gives excellent first hand views of how
> people lose their identity and become unconscious
> in such a cult atmosphere. i encourage every one
> to read john ralston saul's book:"unconscious
> civilization" and if you are brave his
> book:"voltaire's bastards." a critical analysis
> of how people in anglo culture are seriously
> unconscious , and i think trungpa and other gurus
> have learned how to harness that lack of
> consciousness to their own ends, for power and
> wealth. chandler's book shows unconsciousness in
> action. people who think they are super conscious
> being to opposite. that's a buddhist
> achievement!!
The fact is that much of TB goes against what the Buddha taught. Sitting on thrones? Wearing silk brocades? Sex?! Guru devotion--certainly not! Magic spells, black magic, as in the red Tara ceremonies? Astrology and soothsaying? The Buddha taught specifically against those things. Taking money to perform ceremonies in villagers' homes? Against the Vinaya.
And yes, we don't know if anyone takes the Kachakra world-domination theme seriously, or if they put it into historical perspective, and regard it as something from a very different time, long ago. Still, seeing how widely TB has spread around the world, and how much harm it's doing instead of good, one can't help but be alarmed, whether there are sinister ulterior motives or not.
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>
>
>
> i think she goes too far blaming the dalai lama
> for his failure to act, but it's not an
> unreasonable position to take. he should be more
> active in controlling abuse in his own system,
> however i doubt he can change the medieval
> tibetans quickly. so he is partly responsible.
> if he denounced abuse more he could leave his
> position and he would be fine as a monk.(he would
> probably be forced out) he would still have lots
> of followers and supporters. this points out the
> major issue with a lot of tibetan buddhist
> leaders. they are not even pretending to be
> renunciates. they are wealth and power holders.
> this is inconsistent with the teachings of buddha.
> they have excellent teachings burried under the
> dross of abuse, wealth, greed and ignorance, but
> so do other groups, so why do we need these power
> and wealth hungry lamas?
>
> her criticism of the world view of kalachakra is
> worth contmplating. are these people seriously
> taking the world conquest parts literally? well
> some are, and that's nuts. shambala seems to take
> this literally and that is inconsistent with
> buddhism.
>
> she also provides some eye openers about maurice
> strong and his new age contacts. strong was
> important in the canadian liberal party. it is
> disturbing what he got up to after canadian
> politics.
>
> so all and all it's an excellent book that i hope
> will open a few eyes and maybe even help push
> reforms.it gives excellent first hand views of how
> people lose their identity and become unconscious
> in such a cult atmosphere. i encourage every one
> to read john ralston saul's book:"unconscious
> civilization" and if you are brave his
> book:"voltaire's bastards." a critical analysis
> of how people in anglo culture are seriously
> unconscious , and i think trungpa and other gurus
> have learned how to harness that lack of
> consciousness to their own ends, for power and
> wealth. chandler's book shows unconsciousness in
> action. people who think they are super conscious
> being to opposite. that's a buddhist
> achievement!!
The fact is that much of TB goes against what the Buddha taught. Sitting on thrones? Wearing silk brocades? Sex?! Guru devotion--certainly not! Magic spells, black magic, as in the red Tara ceremonies? Astrology and soothsaying? The Buddha taught specifically against those things. Taking money to perform ceremonies in villagers' homes? Against the Vinaya.
And yes, we don't know if anyone takes the Kachakra world-domination theme seriously, or if they put it into historical perspective, and regard it as something from a very different time, long ago. Still, seeing how widely TB has spread around the world, and how much harm it's doing instead of good, one can't help but be alarmed, whether there are sinister ulterior motives or not.