ollaimh Wrote:
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> kelsang gyatso did a lot more. he gives vows to
> monks and nuns without the necessary authority.
> for those who don't know to give these vows you
> need five monks or nuns. most take the vows from
> one person, with a promise to take the full
> ordination at a future time, but they are in
> schools that have more than the required five so
> the authority is there. kelsang gyatso started on
> his own after being kicked out of his monastary
> and has never had another person in his group
> possessing the full vows, so all his ordinations
> are non buddhist. that's a serious transgression
> of the vinaya of any buddhist school. he has also
> published books on deep practices that are not
> allowed to be public without full oral teachings,
> again a violation of the school he came from.
> these are non buddhist activities.
This all is very important. I'm wondering if we should start a new thread about him. This info you're posting isn't well-known, and is never discussed.
Who are these "monks" and "nuns" he ordains, anyway? I've heard he gives tantric initiations, which is to say Mahamudra-type practice, to teenagers who have only been in his sangha a year or two.
I wonder when the fascination with this type of exotic religion will pass, as the guru era of the 60's has pretty much passed? The problem is, with the Dalai Lama still active internationally, promoting TB, he's unwittingly contributing to the problem of people being taken in by these shysters.
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> kelsang gyatso did a lot more. he gives vows to
> monks and nuns without the necessary authority.
> for those who don't know to give these vows you
> need five monks or nuns. most take the vows from
> one person, with a promise to take the full
> ordination at a future time, but they are in
> schools that have more than the required five so
> the authority is there. kelsang gyatso started on
> his own after being kicked out of his monastary
> and has never had another person in his group
> possessing the full vows, so all his ordinations
> are non buddhist. that's a serious transgression
> of the vinaya of any buddhist school. he has also
> published books on deep practices that are not
> allowed to be public without full oral teachings,
> again a violation of the school he came from.
> these are non buddhist activities.
This all is very important. I'm wondering if we should start a new thread about him. This info you're posting isn't well-known, and is never discussed.
Who are these "monks" and "nuns" he ordains, anyway? I've heard he gives tantric initiations, which is to say Mahamudra-type practice, to teenagers who have only been in his sangha a year or two.
I wonder when the fascination with this type of exotic religion will pass, as the guru era of the 60's has pretty much passed? The problem is, with the Dalai Lama still active internationally, promoting TB, he's unwittingly contributing to the problem of people being taken in by these shysters.