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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 7, 2019, 8:02 pm
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The book “Guru? The Story Of Heather”is available for free download as a PDF at www.reallyguru.com.

This book speaks for itself. The author asserts that every letter written by the bad guru in the book was actually one written by JS himself. The author has original copies of all of these messages. Only the names and locations have been changed, and these in accordance with the book’s “allegation-based fiction” premise.

Anybody who reads those letters (in the book) with an open mind will likely see the guilt of the guru written all over them. Only the guilty person could have created such bizarre, contradictory, and horrific messages.

Indeed, one of the most incriminating pieces was posted publicly by this alleged rapist in his own newsletter in early 2017.

According to the book, all would-be gurus fall to one or some of five things: sex, fame, money, power, and drugs. JS, according to the accounts, never worked through his issues regarding sex and money. Almost predictably, then, his Vasanas and Samskaras accordingly would seem to have combined to ruin him as a teacher and as a human being.

Please, Read the book and make up your own mind. Pass it on to anyone who has any questions regarding that particular alleged spiritual teacher or any other.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 7, 2019, 11:28 pm
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For educational purposes here is excerpt of an article on DARVO (deny, attack, reverse victim offender):

"In other words, by reframing the events through a DARVO lens, our fictional perpetrator was able to stack the deck in their favor by casting doubt on the credibility and blamelessness of the victim. As a result, participants perceived the victim more negatively and attributed less responsibility and abusiveness to the perpetrator. However, DARVO comes at a cost to those who wield it: Participants in the study also rated the perpetrator who used DARVO less credible than the perpetrator who confessed to committing the assault. With respect to this particular finding, it seems that DARVO may not entirely convince everyone of the perpetrator’s innocence—but it doesn’t have to. All it has to do is muddy the waters just enough so that the truth of what really happened seems complicated and inaccessible. Was it an assault, or simply an innocuous misinterpretation of events? When faced with this manufactured ambiguity, abuse and other wrongdoings become easy to shrug off as unfortunate and inextricable cases of he-said, she-said."

And here more: [www.memoiretraumatique.org]

What i found odd is there is a lot of research on victims of abuse but very little on the psychology of abusers who themselves may show signs of amnesia, denial to the point that they will convince you and themselves that they never did whatever the victims are saying??
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 8, 2019, 12:23 am
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Valma,

that is all so interesting. I wish I knew more about these things or was able to shed more light on the matter. I can tel you this:

A woman I once knew was the victim of a physically and verbally abusive husband, who repeatedly abused her over a number of years. Through an interesting turn of events (which I wont go into), he was basically forced to attend counseling as part of an anger management program.

This man could not believe that his counselor was not interested in the reasons why the man felt the need to hit his wife. He was incredulous. He had assumed that once he explained, man to man, to the counselor why it was essential for him to hit his wife, that all would be forgiven.... that the counselor would basically agree with the violent man and understand him and say "yes, well in that case, I can see why you would want to hit her, actually."

When he did not get the sympathy he felt he deserved, the violent husband was bewildered.

So perhaps there is something there... that abusive, exploitative people are not aware of the seriousness of their own behavior- they are incapable of understanding why their actions are considered wrong and so they feel victimized.

Maybe.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 8, 2019, 2:29 am
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Sahara71,

Indeed the question you raise is worth examining.

I share your sentiment regarding reading the "story" of Heather. This is a serious case to say the least!

Here excerpt from words of Heather:

"As we have seen in very public fashion, it is extremely difficult for victims of abuse, like myself, to expose their identity and come forward, largely because they want only to move on with their lives, and not return to the past and relive the experience of abuse. They are further suppressed by the strong stigmas associated with sexual abuse, especially when committed by persons thought to be influential or powerful.
Unfortunately, it is also the very fact that these individuals are so well- positioned that, at least until recently, has allowed them to commit their heinous acts largely behind a curtain of power and reputation.
Again, as we saw in many instances, where leaders are accused of misconduct, there has been an initial rejection of the claims, especially from the close followers of the leader. However what is interesting is that in most of these cases the accusations have been proven to be true."
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May 8, 2019, 8:02 am
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I have an UPDATE to share,

I ended up writing to James Swartz and asking him to please take the article down as I didn’t realize that he would be using my emails and personal story on his webpage.
(I didn’t want to be combative so I didn’t bring up the change from what was written between us and what he actually put in the article).

His response was to send me the disclaimer and then say I was being afraid of Mooji. In the disclaimer it said he would keep me anonymous. The rest of his very lengthy reply I will not go into here. But it made me feel really uncomfortable (and not in the way hearing the truth can sometimes feel). The uncomfortable a person feels when they realize they opened up to the wrong person about deep wounds.

I sent one email back just restating my request and saying again I was unaware he would use this and hadn’t read a disclaimer first and to please take it down. I also told him that writing I was anonymous source for Be article, after I had shown him this was already on the internet did identify me. If there is only one unicorn and her name is Annette Chappelle, you can say a unicorn shared this and it’s pretty much like saying Annette Chappelle shared this. He must have seen that point because he took that part out. But the way he responded the second email left me no doubt that this “teacher” can’t really be connected to Source.

Since this has happened to me I share it for others to learn from as I can not speak for “Heather” but the emails back included violence and sex in his responses that had no place in my simple request.

This man could do A LOT of damage to an impressionable and trusting mind. I don’t buy his bullshit for a minute because I know he’s not CLEAN.

BEWARE of him.

Ok. I’m off the internet for awhile now to detox. Will only be responding to emails.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 8, 2019, 8:29 am
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Sahara this is exactly it!!!

He doesn't understand when he's being abusive!!?? Or he does and does it anyway

Watch this clip from April 27, 2019 with the Irish Sangha

Watch this story he tells !!

Wouldnt a sane person not tickle the kid when he shows he doesn't like it,
But mooji did it anyway as the kid stood still, fearful and prepping himself for pain

My guess is that he was searching for a sign that his nephew was happy to see him.

And btw, 1 minute of tickling is hella long.

I don't tickle anymore, I can tell most kids don't really like it. They're laughing because they're sensitive but not because they really really enjoy it. It's like a twisted form a fun.


From google:

"Tickling does not create a pleasurable feeling—just the outward appearance of one. It causes the same physiological reactions as humor—i.e., laughter, goose bumps, and convulsive muscle contractions—which means we can look like we’re having the time of our lives while suffering, sometimes greatly."


"While not all adults who tickle children are paving the way to sexually abuse them, tickling is a good example of the grooming process. When trust can be won over and defenses can be disarmed, the offender is then able to have their way with the child. "
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May 8, 2019, 9:17 am
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This is what James Swartz does he exploits and bullies people.

There is so much behind the scenes no one seems to know.

Is it really “satsang” (the sharing of truth) if you change the words and answers between the exchange, violate the confidence of the person by not asking if it can be shared and then refuse to take it down?
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 8, 2019, 9:59 am
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Traveler99 Wrote:
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> Please, Read the book and make up your own mind.
> Pass it on to anyone who has any questions
> regarding that particular alleged spiritual
> teacher or any other.

I will. Thank you all for your replies. This is all very interesting to me because I turned out to have blind spots for people's impurity before and those are somehow linked to my own impurity. And sorry for being so judgmental and combative in my latest posts, this wasn't warranted at all and had more to do with me than any of you.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 8, 2019, 10:28 am
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ziziz,

Now that takes a really big HEARTED person to write that. I also apologize if I said anything that was offensive. I’m learning to speak my truth and sometimes that can come out too sharp.

Peace!
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 8, 2019, 11:38 am
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In closing I am going to be writing a book. I will be using my exchange with James in it as well. I don’t aim to go after any teacher just state what my experiences were, what I saw and what I learned. It’s like a seeker’s guide to the pitfalls that are so common and how to spot them in time to avoid them. I need to make use of all this pain for good after all.

I will use specific examples from my experience and that will include things I saw at Sahaja and with my interactions with Mooji directly there. It will safeguard all information from hurting others so anything that could identify someone will not be included, just what I witnessed personally.

As for Traveler99 saying James Swartz is worse then Mooji. I would just comment that, in my experience with both, James has a much darker and colder side. Mooji hides what he is doing much better. It’s a bit like apples and oranges to me. But if I had to pick which teacher to be traumatized by I’d go with Mooji (small m) every single time.

Luckily I’m not in this for trauma. :)

Stay in touch.

Annette
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 8, 2019, 12:33 pm
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AnnetteChappelle Wrote:
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> ziziz,
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> Now that takes a really big HEARTED person to
> write that. I also apologize if I said anything
> that was offensive. I’m learning to speak my truth
> and sometimes that can come out too sharp.
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> Peace!


Thank you Annette :)

Happy to hear that you're going to write that book! I'm sure that it will be very interesting and helpful to a lot of seekers. I'll order a copy for sure!

I wish you all the best!
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 8, 2019, 2:13 pm
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Satsang.

Truth assembly in Sanskrit.

IMO these discussions on CEI appear to be closer to the sat sang ideal than most of the teachers and groups claiming the moniker.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 8, 2019, 2:34 pm
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Annette,

I will say this- the fact that Jame Swartz referred to sex and violence in an email exchange that was nothing do with either of those things in the first place is a huge red flag.

This is very inappropriate. If I received an email like that, I would be shocked, actually. It's not like you even know him, why would he think he could refer to sex and violence for no apparent reason? - his behavior towards you is very odd and I hope people have the sense stay away from him.

It's quite possible that he is completely nuts.
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May 8, 2019, 4:51 pm
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The Leaving Mooji facebook page seems to be down. Anyone have any info???

I can't seem to find it.
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May 8, 2019, 5:11 pm
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Am going to say something and am not joking.

Am now certain that sex workers give better value than these enlightenment teachers.

Why?

Because when a sex worker gets you off, you have no doubt about it.

Whereas enlightenment teachers get rich telling you you're enlightened, you just don't knoooow it yet.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 8, 2019, 5:53 pm
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May 8, 2019, 6:05 pm
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Sahara71

I need to clarify. James Swartz used these topics in reference to Mooji, describing him as “not violent” and what Mooji did not do to me. You can fill in the blank.

The emails were long and rambling and amateur psychoanalysis from a sentence here and there (basically turning my words against me), bullying me, and victim shaming.

I am keeping all emails in case I ever need them. I have screen shots of the article before and after the change as well.

Documentation is key.
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Re: Mooji a cult?

May 8, 2019, 6:20 pm
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None of this has any context to my simple request and one thing he said in particular reminded me of what he allegedly did to “Heather”. Yes James Swartz. At least Mooji didn’t do that!

Gross.
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May 8, 2019, 6:56 pm
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James Swartz—What is the Truth?

May 8, 2019, 8:38 pm
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The controversial spiritual teacher James Swartz has come under increased scrutiny in the last few years.

This is partly as a byproduct of his contributions to ongoing debates about the “realness” of some other teachers. His comments have not surprised those aware of his unusual ways. For decades, James Swartz has been free in his criticism of what he sees as the bad behavior and weaknesses of other spiritual teachers. One former student said, “He interrupted a lecture just to tell gossip and make fun about this other teacher. He seemed to revel in the put downs. And he does this all the time. Most spiritual teachers don’t attack others like that...”

Also, and potentially much, much worse, Swartz in the winter of 2016-17 was accused publicly, in the past,of using his “Guru” status to hypnotize, drug, and rape an underage girl from the ages of 14 to 16. Plus, to do the same to her “older” friend, who was 16 when Swartz allegedly began raping her.

A book has been written based on the allegations against Swartz. The author changed the names and locations, plus the exact dates and some details regarding the traits and appearances of the innocent parties involved (as well as the appearance and name of JS himself).This was because, “Although Swartz has virtually confessed with his own words and actions, he still hasn’t publicly confessed or been found guilty in court, so the book has to go out as ‘allegation-based fiction’l

Is James Swartz a lying rapist monster living a life of lies, ripping off old persons for their inheritances,screwing the young, and living able to sleep since he really believes he is better than anyone and everyone else, or is he actually what he tries to be, and claims to be, a sincere and highly knowledgeable spiritual teacher who draws attacks because he is so profound and because he “tells the truth” about other teachers?

Please read the book, “Guru? The Story Of Heather.” It is free to download as a PDF at www.reallyguru.com.

If you believe Heather, then you know what Swartz is. If you don’t, then you see a very different person, and he is perhaps a worthy teacher. Your responses are looked forward to.

Plus, if you have any, please do share your experiences with and perspectives about James Swartz, as well as about these and other allegations regarding him. The more information we have, the more accurate an evaluation we each can make.
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