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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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just-googling Wrote:

> Whatever happened to the *God consciousness*?


God consciousness means:

To be always truthful
To be friendly to people, even those who disagree
To be lower than the straw on the street
To be humble as a blade of grass
To be always seeking the lowest point like “water”
God controls everything (not sleazy lawyers)
To have character not worth $25,000
To not meddle in politics if you don’t share people’s values
To live what you preach


EXHIBIT A:

Heard this conversation?

Nestor Garcia
Guess who the chairman is of the State Senate Committee in charge of ocean safety?
3 · January 21 at 5:53pm

Andy Parx
Mike? I guess I'm not "shocked shocked."
1 · January 21 at 5:57pm

Bart Dame
From your question, might I guess Senator Gabbard?

Awkward!
2 · January 21 at 5:57pm

Nestor Garcia
You're our Grand Prize winner today!
3 · January 21 at 6:02pm

Bart Dame
Ah, the contradictions keep on revealing themselves. One after another. I assume his committee will be forced to hear testimony on this incident. While the religious affiliation, and close personal relationship with the guru, may not be relevant for the official discussion, it impacts how Mike will feel about it and puts a burden on him to rise above those feelings. And, in the broader discussion, the behavior of the cult, with their LITERALLY "God-given right" to ride roughshod over the wishes of other people as they "dovetail their plans with God's wishes" has to be a part of the discussion.
2 · January 21 at 6:07pm

Nestor Garcia
On a sober note - I consider Pono Shim like a brother.
1 · January 21 at 6:10pm

Michael Greenough
While Gabbard has Water Land and Ag, it is actually Nishihara that has Public Safety.
January 21 at 9:40pm

Nestor Garcia
But Gabbard's committee lists legislation specific to ocean safety - and deals with DLNR, which has jurisdiction over enforcement on the water.
2 · January 21 at 10:56pm

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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Dear forum
Thank you for your recent postings .
There is many good intelligent points that have been made by this forum conserning this now legal matter ...and its many demands on me and Rama Ranson...This is very stressful for a 66 years old man who takes care of is 96 years old mother ...and a 35 years old son who suffer from skysophrenia ...to have to deal with a lawyer asking for $25,000 because we put a few of our opinions on social media. ...even if it sound frivolous.

I have written my retractions and apologies and posted them on this forum and on facebook as demanded...

It might help if you contact politely lawyer Mr Dennis .W.King
and give me and Rama some support .
His email of Mr Dennis .W.King
ib@dkpvlaw.com
fax 808 599 2908

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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Truth will always stand, no matter how long it takes to get out there.

In the meantime, Dear DOJ- how would Uncle Sam like a boat in Kailua and the house(s) attached to that boat, perhaps the van parked next to the boat?
How about the grocery store that is providing funds for said boat and house(s)?


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Dennis W King, slimy cult lawyer.

Howard K K Luke, another top dollar slimy cult lawyer.

I hope these idiot lawyers know about the Chris Butler cult and don't mind being associated with the cult.

These lawyers are being paid from the cult coffers, well hidden fortunes made from decades of drug trafficking and the free labor of loyal brainwashed cult victims.

Dennis W King and Howard K K Luke are filthy cult lawyers

These lawyers are representing a cult and are being paid by money handed over by parents around the world who flush their childrens futures down the drain by giving their savings and earnings to their living God Chris Butler.

Richard V Bellord and every member of the Bellord family are literally treated like a little royal family in Kailua.

They are served and chauffeured around.

Sai Hansen is literally a man servant to Siddha Bellord and his family.

Sai Hansen and Laks Ranson live in a quarantine designation different than their own families just to serve the likes of cult prince Siddha Bellord and chauffeur around Siddha Bellord's retarded (listen to the 911 recording) daughters.

my brother Laks Ranson and Sai Hansen are cut off from their own families by cult leader Chris Butler's insane quarantine system. Laks and Sai are put up onto the highest quarantine clearance so they can interact one on one with the Royal Bellords and Chris Butler their cult god one on one.

The problem is my brother is also not on the same lower quarantine level as his wife and children.

According to Canada Girl and also my experience visiting my brother in Kailua 2003, these guys must visit their families either outdoors without contact or through the doorway to the house, the family inside and my brother/Sai standing outside the door.

Family indoors, cult servant outdoors.

I asked my brother this recently, as I spoke to him by message for a week out of the blue.

I asked if he is even allowed to live with his kids, is he even allowed to be in his house with them and hold them.

His answer was classic, avoiding the question by saying "I love my kids, I took them surfing the other day, and my son just got a skateboard."

Funny. This is the classic cult omission. Laks did not say "I live with my kids, I see them every night. I hug them all the time. What you said about not being allowed in the same building as them is not true"

He did not deny the quarantine separation and retorted only with anecdotes about outdoor activities with his kids which is all he would be allowed to have, surfing and skating outdoors, and probably not even allowed to hug them.

That is life in the insane cult of Chris Butler and I hope Dennis W King is proud to represent an abusive and destructive cult. I hope Dennis W King enjoys attempting to shake down cult victims for $25,000.

Another scumbag lawyer sucking up to his cult masters.

Disgusting. Dennis W King and Richard V Bellord can line up and suck my Haole ---- for all I care.

Enjoy, boys, I haven't showered in a few days, just for you cupcakes.

Slurp it up, Siddha Bellord, you cult prince douche bag.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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I think this is appropriate here:

Re: Hare Krishna sects not related to Chris Butler/SOI
Posted by: dharmabum ()
Date: April 30, 2016 10:59PM

“Let him be the monkey on a stick and let us have no more of that.”

When a monkey breaks into a banana plantation in India, the farm’s owners kill the monkey, impale him on a stick, and leave him to rot outside the plantation. Other monkeys see him hanging there and stay away from the bananas. Monkey on a Stick, Chapter 1, p. 17

At least, the Krishnas stopped impaling oppositions. The internet made it risky, costly and almost impossible. Besides, that is just too old-fashion. Enemies just get sued in court. Even if you have successfully defended yourself, chances are you are left penniless and mentally broken. Old trick but effective. The result is the same.

The problem is, truth comes out in time and is independent of oppositions. Just an opinion.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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There is a problem with posting on this board ...and that is if you post anything on this board...its there for ever ...it cannot be deleted .I had a few exchange of emails with Rick Ross in the last 48 hours asking him to remove ONE post from months ago that could be problematic for me ....for I was mistaken ...and Rick Ross refuse ...Some large National newspapers have written to me that it was no problem to remove a post if it was giving me legal problem...But not this culteducation board ...even if it could spare lots of trouble for the person who had posted mistaken information base on reports of other members of this board regarding a dramatic event a few months ago in Hawaii ..All kinds of speculations and possibilities where posted on this board regarding that event
and some of them where plain wrong .Who among us for exemple would have think that Flash was a multi millionaire pedophile name Nicholas Bredimus living a few houses away from Butler ...at time feeding us good informations at time feeding us crap ..Many on this board have been deeply hurt by this Butler cult and when news that possibly something happen that could finally get the cult out of business...some of of its members have gotten over enthusiastic and said things that was not check out at 100% or where just plain speculations..this board as been dealing with a cult that as millions of dollars in assets ...while most of us are living a modest life and some hand to mouth ...Lawyers will represent anyone right or wrong as long as money is there to pay the bills ...and we now see that even if you where born in that cult ...been brainwash by that cult ..and that your Mom still think that Butler is God gift to humanity ..that cult will not hesitate to come after you like it is doing to Rama Ranson .
I now think it is very very wrong on the part of Rick Ross to refuse to delete past posts that could cause trouble to its members ...he should understand how fragile and hurt some of the members of this board are ...AND PROTECT THEM IF THERE IS EVER A LEGAL Challenges.. like asking for large amount of money to members that are mostly out of money ... because some like Rama Ranson ( a very intelligent young man) never got a proper education because the parents where crasy ..brainwash and brain dead .
Some of the members have pour there hearts with an incredible sincerity so as Rama Ranson ...as it seem that this board is the only place on the internet where one can share their hearts and mind about a cult that as ...and is abusing so many people ...and when you do that sharing you are bound to make
mistake and be influence by other post ..or private messages .Rick Ross should understand that he is dealing with mostly hurt and fragile people that are not savy when it come to dealing with lawyers ...AND HE SHOULD PROTECT THEM ...if it mean to erase a post from long ago that delight a lawyer ...but cause anguish
to a member of this board IT SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM TO DO THAT ...TO PROTECT THE HEART AND THE BACK OF HIS MEMBERS...Actually like many web sites ...there should be an option to delete one own post if a member feel he was mislead ..mistaken or plain wrong...The resent events should be an indication to Mr Rick Ross that the time as come to change the rules of this board and to be for caring for people who post here and have very little knowledge of how vicious a cult and its lawyers can be ...Thank you very much

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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Henry I feel your pain, but I understand that this forum is permanent.

For better or for worse, this is the one place where you agree that your post will stay up.

This is how it has to be on a cult forum. if people could remove stuff, if cults could put pressure on people to have them remove testimony against the cult, well, there would be nothing here.

Things posted here must be taken in context that it is an open, anonymous forum.

The couple old misinformed posts claiming Siddha Bellord was driving the boat are so insignificant and deeply buried that it would be ridiculous to think it's enough for anyone to think Siddha Bellord was the boat driver.

After I learned Sai Hansen was the boat driver, I never propagated the misinformation.

I am not backing down on highlighting Siddha Richard V. Bellord's close ties to Chris Butler, the Kailua Chris Butler cult, the boat which killed Sri Shim, Siddha's close connections to Sai Hansen and the fact that the 911 emergency call was a hoax called in from dry land.

The GPS location for the call you hear is actually coming from a golf course and not on the waters near the death site or in a boat.

The 911 call has a young girl giving false information many times, no noise of outboard motors and suggests the voices of two adults besides Trey Albrecht Who was screaming in pain.

The call originating from land may suggest that the sounds of Trey were coming from a speaker of another phone.

The girl on the 911 call may have not even been on the boat, explaining her falsely claiming they were at the Kailua boat ramp 3 times, all 3 times were before the boat's actual delayed arrival to the boat ramp.

The girl on the call seemed to be fed information by the adult who was heard at first saying "say Kailua Boat Ramp"

This voice could possibly be Richard V Bellord if this 911 call originated from land and not on the boat, and I have had multiple acquaintances of Richard V Bellord say the voice on the call sounds like his, and the voice of the girl sounds a lot like his daughter, possibly Tungi Bellord.

The girl in this 911 recording does not sound like a young girl who is witnessing firsthand a man bleeding to death with severed arteries and boat propeller injuries.

She sounds like a bewildered young girl thrown into a very awkward situation and she is not responding naturally at all.

https://soundcloud.com/chrisbutlercult/kailua-cult-boat-911-call-jan-9th-2016

This 911 call is further evidence of a cover up and a conspiracy of multiple people to conceal the actual events, to buy time and perhaps to obscure who and how many were really involved in the death of Sri Shim

The 911 recording and the GPS location came from Carroll Cox when he got these files from emergency services

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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I don't know, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm wondering if Mr. Rick Ross doesn't have a moral and / or legal duty himself in the context of the misinformed forum posts.

I haven't followed this huge thread, but from what you're saying, seems anybody in good faith will recognize there are wrong accusations made in a case of mistaken identity. I understand there is a forum policy, but surely a more important policy is trust.

It takes years to cultivate trust, and for that it needs to be nourished and watered by truth. If the well of truth goes dry, the trust wilts and perishes.

Personally, I think it's important that when one knows something - they should make clear that they know and when one doesn't know something - they should make clear that they don't know, and when there is a mistake - to try to fix it.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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Rama said

For better or for worse, this is the one place where you agree that your post will stay up.

This is how it has to be on a cult forum. if people could remove stuff, if cults could put pressure on people to have them remove testimony against the cult, well, there would be nothing here.

I totally desagree with what you say Rama
On YOUTUBE as an exemple if you think your video contain incorrect informations
you push delete and its gone (and there still millions of YOUTUBE videos ) and there would be still thousands of posts on this board ....Who read all the rules and regulations of the forums before signing up anyway ?.
Stuff written in those 606 pages are not that buried Rama ...if there is a legal challenge ... the 800 dollrs an hours lawyers will use an employees at $15 dollrs an hours to find whatever .
I find the position of Rick Ross to be very rigide ..inconsiderate ..cold hearted..derived of compassion for members of this community face with agressive cult lawyers.
I do not know if there as been anyone before that as been sue for $25,000 dollars for posting on culteducation but if removing a post can help a member of this community the anguish of being persued by a cult lawyer ...it should be done ASAP

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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EMAIL I RECEIVED TODAY AND THESE OPINIONS REFLECT MUCH OF WHAT I AM NOW THINKING OF RICK ROSS...
Debra Van Neste
Just a heads up...if you post or vent on Rick Ross's open bulletin board he will never remove your comments, nor can you apparently. So be careful if you vent there because it can be used against you in a lawsuit. The present case of Henry Jolicoeur might give you an insight: I almost went off myself on posting all sorts of stuff on Teal Swan, I am glad I held back from that.

Cathleen Mann>>> And he's(Rick Ross) stubborn about it in an obtuse way. Beware.

Debra Van Neste That is just mean and unjustifiable, Henry you should be able to remove your comments or acknowledge thru a captcha that you are aware of his conditions. People can get in huge trouble...

Cathleen Mann I know for a fact that Ross has in the past removed posts that suit him, so he really is being unreasonable here.
I'm so sorry to hear that, Henry. This is not the behavior of someone who really cares about current and former cult members and their families.

Debra Van Neste >>>You do good cult research yourself, Henry Jolicoeur your expose of Guru G was great...way back I started to like her a lot and your video's on her nailed that coffin.. I remember her getting furious in video responses, Rick should see you as a fellow activist and help you out in any way he can...(in my opinion)
Debra Van Neste>>> Rick Ross is wrong, Henry Jolicoeur, you had certain terms and conditions and he is throwing you to the wolves. I just hope there a a way out of this, legally, because if you tried everything and have emails him which he refuses, I mean seriously...what else can you do? It's not your forum!

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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[forum.culteducation.com]

The CEI Message Board Rules

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This is a public forum. Anything posted becomes readily accessible to the general public through the Internet. By this agreement you grant a perpetual, irrevocable and royalty-free non-exclusive license to the owners of this board to publish your comments/submissions on it.

You may edit your posts for up to 30 minutes after submitting them. After 30 minutes, no post can be edited or deleted.

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Don't post false statements, contrived fiction, deliberately misleading statements, obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful and/or threatening comments, which may violate any laws.

Please understand that you are personally responsible for all your comments and actions through this message board.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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If any party like Richard V Bellord wants information removed from this site, it is not within the power of anyone except the people who run this site,

Henry retracted, apologized and did everything in his power to correct everything.

So Richard V Bellord the cult prince and his whack cult lawyer want things removed from this site, they better take it up directly with those who run this site.

They will likely have no luck whatsoever, this forum is a fortress and I have been fully aware that every post I ever made here is not under my control.

I have known this for 10 years and told my cult member family that I can't even take stuff down, even if I wanted to.

Henry, I'm not asking you to agree, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the rules of this forum. I was just saying how it works.

It works this way for a reason and maybe you would have done well to read the forum rules yourself.

Man up Henry, you gotta deal with the situation.
I'm not surprised at all that they tried to intimidate me legally, it's an assumed risk I was fully aware of when I got back in the game last year.

I'm not surprised one bit that we do not have the ability to alter this forum,

I believe the rules of this forum state that Rick Ross owns the rights to all the content after it is posted.

He is the party responsible for these published posts remaining on the Internet, they can go and try to sue him as it is completely out of your power. You made all the corrections.

Henry, we are fighting a cult, man. Of course this shit is par for the course.

Rick Ross is the owner of the rights of these past posts. So he will be the only person to be held accountable in the face of you doing everything within your power to rectify the situation.

At least you know how it works now, you are going to have to deal with the situation as it stands, reevaluate this forum in full knowledge of the rules, go read them.

That letter is bullshit, legal intimidation but apologizing isn't a law, neither is voluntarily coughing up $25,000 before any judge has even looked at a thing.

This is just Chris Butler's terms typed up by a shithead two bit lawyer and should be used as toilet paper or to start a fire, in my opinion.

The objective is total intimidation.

It worked a charm on you, but not on me.

Siddha Bellord, let's dance, you little bitch.

By the way, Henry, I understand this lawyer is no top notch lawyer, this is a cheapo crackerjack lawyer. Just someone to type up that letter perhaps, why waste precious money on us?

This guy is no $800 per hour lawyer like Sai Hansen's cult purchased Howard K K Luke.

Girl interviewed by Rama

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I would like to point out that the girl that Rama is interviewing is the follower of another guru and another group or cult. This raises questions about her credibility, especially since Rama is presenting her as a non-cult person. I'd like Rama to ask her some questions like:

1. Do you believe that your guru is a representative of God on earth?
2. Do you offer prayers to your guru?
3. Do you bow down to him and treat him as if he is God's representative on earth?

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NO -1-These rules and regulations of culteducation are what they are ...but how many people have received lawyers papers since this tread began long time ago ?
Should the culteducation board managers not make a little effort to erase a few posts when lawyers are taken actions as it as done a few days ago and help its members to get free from persuits ? Many many information posted in a very emotional time when Mr Shim was killed as to be consider when all kinds or rumors was flying around ....you have to use your common sense...this was not an every day event...Flash was all over this event..and email me all kinds of shit and speculation ...he had my private email.
Or is Rick Ross and you Corboy (whohever you are ) have to keep your rules and regulations intact just because you thats the way it as to be ...no matter if removing 5 lines could save so much troubles to someone that as contributed for years to expose the cult on this board....spent a hundred hours making videos .. Corboy thats not being friendly and protecting your members ...I tought(stupidely) that they may be a little bit of camaraderie between us ...a little frienship betwen us working for a common goal..EXPOSING BUTLER..look like I am an idealist .NO -2- The truth is that Rick Ross like all of us need to make money
and theses boards is also a sort of fishing line for him ...As distress parents from this cult or that other cult or churches ...might read theses boards and call Rick Ross for an expensive intervention and deprogramming ...in other word these boards are free publicity for Rick Ross services.
How much money did Rick Ross make last year from desperate family members that found informations about the cults from theses boards ...I wonder ?
Its a great publicity machine ...let people that have been use and abuse and are hurting by cults ....talk ...talk ..talk ...post ..post.. post
and a desperate family members might call .
And then when one of us get lawyers after us ...we are on our own .He certainly did not sound friendly or even sympatic to my predicaments in the few emails we exchange in the last few days .Him that as been sue by so many cults ...had no intelligent or compassionate recommendations "GET A LAWYER " was basically the only thing he had to say ....if I learn one thing this week ..it is that RICK ROSS is not my brother in arm ..or even a friend..

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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AND ONE LAST THING ..AND MY LAST WORDS ON THIS BUTLER CULT .

LAST WEEK I ASK RICK ROSS TO PLEASE REMOVE THAT ONE POST ..THAT IS MENTION IN THE LETTER FROM THE LAWYER

I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS BUSY EVERY DAY TAKING CARE OF MY 96 YEARS OLD MOTHER

I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS RIGHT NOW DEALING WITH ONE OF MY SON WHO IS INTITUTIONALISE
BECAUSE HE AS SKYSOPHRENIA ...AND PRESENTLY PSYCHOTIC

HIS ONLY ADVISE WAS TO GET MY OWN LAWYER EVEN AFTER TELLING HIM THAT I LIVE IN A FRENCH CANADIAN VILLAGE 5 HOURS FROM MONTREAL ,,,AND MY MAIN INCOME WAS AN OLD AGE PENSION

I TOLD HIM THAT ALL MY PERSONAL PROBLEMS PLUS NOW A LAWYER AFTER ME WAS STRESSING ME TO THE MAX

I POLITELY ASK HIM TO REMOVE THAT ONE POST .
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AND HE WROTE BACK

Nothing will be removed, but your apology could be posted in bold black.

Rick Ross

I SENT HIM COPY OF THE APOLOGY AND HE NEVER HAD THE DECENCY TO WRITE BACK
WHAT KIND OF MAN WOULD ACT LIKE THIS ..??

MR GALLAGER FROM THE HONOLULU STAR ADVERTISER WROTE TO ME LAST WEEK
Dear Mr Jolicoeur I can take care of removing any post that you have made regarding Tulsi Gabbard just give the date of the posting.

THE HONOLULU ADVERTISER CAN erase a post .....BUT NOT RICK ROSS

RICK MAY BE WRITING BOOKS ...BUT HE SHOULD LISTEN TO HIS OWN JEWISH TRADITION THAT SAYS
"A MAN SHOULD NOT HAVE ONLY WISDOM IN WORDS BUT SHOULD HAVE WISDOM IN DEEDS'

SO THATS IT FOR ME THIS IS MY LAST POST ...BEST WISHES TO THE MANY FRIENDS I MADE ON THIS FORUM

AND BECAUSE THE BUTLER CULT READ THIS FORUMIF THIS CAN HELP MY CASE AND MY STRESS....I SAY

BY THE PRESENT POST I WANT TO ASSURE CHRIS BUTLER ...WAI LANA...TULSI GABBARD
MIKE GABBARD ..RICHARD V BELLORD THAT I WILL NEVER EVER POST ANYTHING AGAIN
ON CULTEDUCATION.COM .(BECAUSE I NOW DISLIKE RICK ROSS PERSONALY AND ALSO THINK THAT THIS WEB SITE POLICIES RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE STUPID AND INCONSIDERATE) ...VIDEOS THAT I HAVE MADE ABOUT YOUR CRASY CULT WILL REMAIN POSTED BUT I WILL NEVER EVER MAKE ANOTHER VIDEO TO EXPOSE THE SCIENCE OF IDENTITY CULT OR ITS MEMBERS AND ACTIVITIES ..WHATHEVER THEY ARE...I JUST POSTED HOURS OF POSITIVE TEACHINGS VIDEOS THAT I HAVE MADE IN INDIA ....AND AS OF TODAY THAT IS WHAT MY HEART IS TELLING ME SHOULD BE MY ONLY FOCUS....ADIOS

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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I know a couple of people (and have heard many more) sued by the cult or members of the cult for speaking out. Jagad Screwball himself tried to sue a newspaper for the flimsy reason that an article associated them with ISKCON, but did not push true, perhaps Jagad Screwball realized or was advised that in no way his accusation made sense, let alone would hold water in the eyes of the law. Of course, they are theologically related to ISKCON. If somebody could dig up that incident here, that shows the kind of logic Jagad Screwball has. It’s shameful. No wonder they try as hard as they could to bury away these facts.

What this shows is that lawyering up has been the cult’s practice from day one.

Believers listen up. If you are fed superstitious crap that Krishna controls everything and is on the side of the guru, the reason you are fed Grade One level stuff is so that you remain ignorant and childishly continue clinging on fairy tales and woowoos. These happy chanting, mantra meditation, environmental concern, happy you happy me music, vegetarianism, social justice crap (wake the fuck up!) are all mind-control materials. The guru himself does not believe these stuff, imho, otherwise members, especially elite members would not rely on lawyers – they criticize as the lowest of the low in society – to tell the truth. If God or the Truth is on your side, you will man up to inquiries, challenges and criticisms. Only the corrupt, cowards and hypocrites would do such. Not even Bhaktivedanta had resorted to hiring lawyers to silence critics; he stuck up to what he believed, no matter how crazy, misogynistic and criminal the craps he said and wrote. He manned up to challenges. He lived what he preached.

What really sustains this cult to continue propagate lies and craps to unsuspecting victims, has nothing to do with God or Krishna, it’s your contributed hard-earned money that enables them to sue to poverty oppositions.

Yeah, the “monkey on a stick” works. I would still choose that my posts stay here forever to help would be victims and members see cults for what they really are.

Re: New Haven Native American Church-Paul Dean

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Came across, New Haven Psalms of Avatar (fb) another one ran by Justin Cluff discussing Ayahuasca. Not many members yet. But one saying she lived locally and was considering joining; but also mentioned she was pagan.

Our stories cannot be clipped off and discarded like toenails

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We are our stories.

We change not by clipping off our stories as we would a hangnail.

[forward.com]

Memory, however, cannot be erased. A major transition, furthermore, demands not a severing from the past but a greater reckoning with it.
A rupture creates a fragmented self,” the psychologist and author Dr. Eva Fogelman told me. “There’s the period before, the rupture itself, and the period after.”

Fogelman has written extensively on the effects of collective and individual memory, and, in particular, has worked closely with Holocaust survivors and their descendants. “A person needs to have an integrated self in order to function fully in the present,” she told me. Attempting to repudiate your past, individual or national, is therefore a denial of identity, a refutation of your potentially integrated self, an act of violence to your own consciousness.

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"...integrated selves are created by facing our pasts, never by denying them. Memory, I would come to realize, is not only our history. It might be of the past, but it is in the present. Held up, examined, confronted rather than suppressed, it can sometimes be painful, but it can also illuminate our paths to a more wholesome future.

This self fragmentation also occurs when we split off and deny painful emotions, hiding behind a bright smile.

If we use some method (a bright smile, a song, a toy) to distract a sad or angry child from experiencing those difficult emotions, this risk the child lacking any
name for his or her feelings, and will carry the message that anger or sadness brings rejection from care providers.

Persons who deal with painful emotions by cutting themselves often have such an upbringing.

Re: Byron Katie (the Work) and Eckhart Tolle Legit??

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Dialogue works equally well, if not better for manipulation, but the technique employed is certainly different. And of course, the feedback is an essential manipulation tool.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

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Dharmabum- I have to agree with you on this point and add one other thing, well 2 other things:

What really sustains this cult to continue propagate lies and craps to unsuspecting victims, has nothing to do with God or Krishna, it’s your contributed hard-earned money that enables them to sue to poverty oppositions.

Yeah, the “monkey on a stick” works. I would still choose that my posts stay here forever to help would be victims and members see cults for what they really are."


The singular most important reason why Butler remains in full control over everyone is: FEAR!
Not love.
Not wisdom- just plain FEAR.

Secondly, those that are in a position of power right below Butler- ENJOY the ability to continue putting FEAR into the hearts of the DevBots.

Its as simple as that.

They eat (guru) shit---and they like it....
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