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Re: New Haven Native American Church-Paul Dean

April 26, 2016, 11:21 am
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This is what I keep in mind when looking at a possibly problematic group or leader:

[culteducation.com]

Ideally Paul H Dean would meet these signs:

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Ten signs of a safe group/leader.

A safe group/leader will answer your questions without becoming judgmental and punitive.
A safe group/leader will disclose information such as finances and often offer an independently audited financial statement regarding budget and expenses. Safe groups and leaders will tell you more than you want to know.
A safe group/leader is often democratic, sharing decision making and encouraging accountability and oversight.
A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and forbid others from associating with them.
A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail of overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.
A safe group/leader will encourage family communication, community interaction and existing friendships and not feel threatened.
A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable boundaries and limitations when dealing with others.
A safe group/leader will encourage critical thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of self-esteem.
A safe group/leader will admit failings and mistakes and accept constructive criticism and advice.
A safe group/leader will not be the only source of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else, but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas.
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 26, 2016, 1:18 pm
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"I personally am or am not comfortable with."

I wonder what comfort means to you Gayle ?
your post did not sound like a personal opinion at all ...more like a general jugement.

Are we to go all out to expose this TNT ...and advising the DEA and others that TNT is using all theses drugs in Peru ...and possibly would do the same in America if his church is ever approve ...Or are you ganna respect his privacy
in one domain ...but expose his dangerous behaviors in other domains ...Your statements does not show much intelligence for a professional writer and someone that might want to protect the integity of Santo Daime in America...santo daime is trying in many many staes to become legals ...they have paid layers thousands of dollrs to do the paperworks ...and this guy could ruin the chances of santo daime to be legal in the state of washington (as per exemple) and you are talking about not sniching ...you talk weird darling
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 26, 2016, 2:54 pm
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I used the phrase "to me" and that was what I meant. I'm not going to debate it or tell anyone else what to do.

And my interest is not particularly to bring Trinity down. My main interest is in not opening the legal door for just any unqualified neophyte to start an ayahuasca retreat business in the states and get legality by calling it a "religion."
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 26, 2016, 5:32 pm
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Well dear Gayle you want to insist that your right and that what you said mean this and not that ...go right ahead dear ... But dear LUMINA started this thread to expose Trinity ... Its not about every bozos in America that want to organize Ayahuwaska ceremonies .

You said

" My main interest is in not opening the legal door for just any unqualified neophyte to start an ayahuasca retreat business in the states and get legality by calling it a "religion."

Exposing TNT Guzman and your goals ...are one and the same for me..and thats include protecting his possible clients from his dangerous behaviors .

Anyway lets move on Gayle ...you want to be right ...be right
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 26, 2016, 6:25 pm
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 26, 2016, 6:56 pm
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VoxVeritasVita Das wrote:

I am going to take this as a possible good omen...

[www.aol.com]



Haha, I’m betting my neck this board has got something to do with that. Take that, Tulsibots.

Remember, when it comes to info about the Butler cult this board is the numero uno source.

CEI, 1; Tulsibots, 0

That done, more work to do. Reelection comes, the Tulsibots will surely rally Bernie’s followers to back up Tulsi to return favor. That’s next year (?), by that time, more info will be posted to expose Jagad Guru’s political ambition, the Kailuans have our backs and hopefully is timely for the Sri Shim’s incident hearing or even verdict.

Projected score:

CEI, 2; Tulsibots, 0

Thanks, Vox. You made my day!
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 26, 2016, 9:07 pm
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Oh Dharmabum--you better believe the Kailuans do have our backs!
And then some.....

Keep the momentum rolling:

The 2nd Congressional District of Hawaii will hold an election for the U.S. House of Representatives on November 8, 2016.

Candidate Filing Deadline Primary Election General Election
June 7, 2016
August 13, 2016
November 8, 2016
Primary: Hawaii utilizes an open primary system, in which registered voters do not have to be members of a party to vote in that party's primary.[1][2][3]


Incumbent: Heading into the election the incumbent is Tulsi Gabbard (D), who was first elected in 2012.

Hawaii's 2nd Congressional District includes all of the Hawaiian islands except for southern Oahu.[4]

Candidates

Note: Prior to the signature filing deadline, candidates will be added when Ballotpedia writers come across declared candidates. If you notice that there is a candidate who is missing, please email us the name and we will add it. As the election draws closer, more information will be added to this page. Incumbents are assumed to be running for re-election until they say otherwise.


Declared candidates:
Democratic
Tulsi Gabbard - Incumbent
Republican
No Republican candidates have formally declared yet.



So, it seems Butler..err I mean Gabbard, is up for re-election.
We must stop Butler...err Gabbard from once again fooling.. err.. I mean winning over, the voters in THE 2ND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.


WHEN BUTLER SPEAKS- TULSI’S MOUTH MOVES.

VOTE FOR BUTSI

RUN, JAGAD, RUN

TIP.THE.CULT.BOAT AND TULSI TOO

ALL THE WAY WITH TULSI-JI

A TOENAIL IN EVERY POT AND A BOAT IN EVERY BACK

WE WANT TULSIBOT

TOOLSI-PUTTING GURU FIRST


[en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 26, 2016, 10:19 pm
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Haha, or …

A vote for Tulsi is a vote for Jagad Almighty!

I’ve got a Hindu Love for you, sweetie pie.

Karmi, karmi, karmi ... come hear me all.

I’m a Hindu, hear me lol!

I ain’t get no, ksatriya faction.

Tulsi in the Sky with Jagad, the Man!

Make waves, here’s Tulsi-nami!

If you don’t vote for Tulsi, go to hell, feel the burn!
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 26, 2016, 11:49 pm
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Lol, Dharmabum !!
Stay tuned for the T-shirts!
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 27, 2016, 6:19 am
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Second District of Hawaii

(Keep all behavior well within First Amendment guidelines. Do not allow
outsiders to co-opt your work for projects unrelated to
getting the facts out concerning Butler and the Gabbards -and prompt and timely justice for Shri Shim's family.)

Things to Make and Do

Justice for Sri Shim T -Shirt Design Contest - monies to go to
Shri Shim's family defense fund.

Amateur Rap Music Open Mike Poetry Performance

Street Theater

Toe Nail Soup. The Soup Guru. Go Seinfeld on this one.

Bring balls. White coverall suits are to be had at hardware stores.

Older persons may recall how a bouncing ball was used with sing-alongs
[www.google.com]


Re-write some Warren Zevon lyrics. This might also inspire some
T-shirt art.

[forum.culteducation.com]

Protestors with their mouths X'd shut with duct tape carrying
WHO LET THE BOAT OUT? signs.

Replicas of the Zodiac Boat.

Corboy wonders whether Tulsi was advised to sidestep all this, the way girls learn to avoid a dating guys who are known to be too demanding.

Tulsi wont have to worry about a bad date at the District 2 November 2016 prom. She'll sidestep the media with prying questions and wont have to risk facing members of Shri Shim's family.
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 27, 2016, 10:29 am
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I want to be right about what?

I am right about what my intent was in my post, because I know what my intent was. Nothing else in this exchange involves "rightness."
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 27, 2016, 11:29 am
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I find it offensive that you are telling me what my intent was and what I want. (This nonsense about me "wanting to be right." I AM right about what my intent was.) I don't care if you believe me or not. But your post is offensive.
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 27, 2016, 1:23 pm
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Please everyone chill.

Anyone has the right to report criminal activity to the authorities.

Having said that let's drop it.

The focus of this thread is "Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)."

Everyone should focus like a laser on the topic rather than argue about what is right and what is wrong about informing legal authorities.

Please move on.
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Re: Liquid Church

April 27, 2016, 5:38 pm
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Interesting how those who are most likely not even Christian or have a problem with God knit pick at others. 99% of the complaints on this thread are bogus in my opinion, and to the kooks, no, I do not work for them but I do attend services but the strange thing is I know more about Liquid than the guy who "worked there.".

There is plenty of accountability.Tim Lucas does not control the check book for the guy so concerned with finances. There is a board of Pastors so there again another "falsehood" presented here.

If you want to know whether or not they are a "cult" as is claimed by the thread, why don't you make an informed decision. Take the time and listen to a sermon from Liquid. Don't stop after 5 minutes. Give it a full and fair hearing, then decide.

[www.liquidchurch.com]
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Re: Trinity de Guzman - Ayahuasca Healings (WA, USA)

April 27, 2016, 8:29 pm
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I tried to listen to the latest video of TNT
[www.youtube.com]

He still give the impression to his listeners that the DEA will soon approve his church in the USA ...not a word that he cannot even enter the USA .

Most cult are known to bombard recruits with LOVE LOVE LOVE
this guy ...sure give those vibrations ...everything is superlative in his language LOVE AMAZING WONDERFUL ON AND ON Thats the reason,s he got so many views on YOUTUBE ...its a sale presentation to lure clients to Peru at $1500 for a week retreat ..But the videos of long ago where it was the same "BROTHERS and SISTERS ...those brothers ans sisters got their money stolen ,
Now its more of the same ..."COME ON DOWN TO PERU "
Also he did mention recently something like other churches serving Ayahuaska
where to narrow minded for him ...without mentioning Santo Daime ...(to Christian for him)
He said I BELIEVE IN ALL RELIGIONS ...anyone that tell me that they believe in all religions ...obviously have not read much about the Theologies of Hinduism
that worship 99,000 gods ..Or the words of the Koran ..(kill the infidels )
or the weird beliefs of so many religions.
He is an ignorant delusional dangerous ayahuwaska salesman...
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Re: The Christ Family

April 27, 2016, 10:56 pm
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I think it might have been my dad Greg. He was killed in texas that year while walking down a highway with two other dudes.

He was from spokane washington, and had left two kids and a wife and flew the coop with group.

Would be a trip if you hung out with him, would be interesting to hear what he was up to in his last little bit of life...
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 27, 2016, 11:52 pm
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Corboy, haha!

WHO LET THE BOAT OUT?
Chris Nah, Chris Nah … Satan, Yah!

Bernie or his team may have looked into Tulsi’s info online. Compared to Elizabeth Warren’s team, the Tulsibots are relentless in lobbying for her to be the VP.

This is how truth works. It’s got a mind of its own. Truth is stealthy, rather than jingoism, it’s independent of popular opinion. George Clooney will not change a vote. A person who follows his conscience and intelligence, will not cast vote based on popularity. Weak minds do that, not Bernie.

Tulsi maybe popular now, but truth will catch up with her. Whether she gets reelected or not, her connection to a dangerous cult will be highlighted. Even if it is just a handful of people that get it, that will help prevent families and innocent children get sucked into Jagad Screwball’s discredited dogma.
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 28, 2016, 5:08 am
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Truth has a sense of humor.

Truth is the fart in the crowded elevator.

Everyone tries to ignore it, but it happened.

Who let the boat out?

Who let the fart out?

Do tell.

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(PS: Only drug I use is coffee, except whatever the doctor prescribes. C.)
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Re: New Haven Native American Church-Paul Dean

April 28, 2016, 7:46 am
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P Dean is still supposedly involve with NAN; M Vincent is controlling owner from what I have heard. Marc Shakman shows up on New Haven's site as having a branch church.
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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity

April 28, 2016, 8:55 am
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